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Old 05-27-2007, 10:57 PM   #196
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I see it as no more than an empty threat. Who is he going to sue? Red Hat? I doubt it. He's openly invited them to a partnership as well. Its a scare tactic he knows he can get away with. Notice no one from MS has yet to show any code that infringes. Until the papers are filed, I'm not worried about a thing
Ok, that makes sense, seeing as there are so many different companies to sue when it comes to linux, but what happens if they do go after the bigger financers of linux, or all financers,?
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:11 PM   #197
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did the courts say that software is no longer patentable only copyrightable? if so shouldn't the patents be turned into copyrights and not patents.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 07:34 AM   #198
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copyrights would be worse - they last for 70 years OR longer based on "heirs". Not sure how that applies to corporations.

Oddly enough software was copyrighted in the early days and Lotus won some lawsuits based on "look and feel" when people were making knock offs products that acted much like Lotus 123 even though it had been coded separately. Not sure whatever happened to those kind of lawsuits or judgements as Excel even now has a "lotus style menu" option available.

The problem with even patents (10 years) is that they would slow development incredibly in the computer industry. The pace of change in IT is incredibly fast compared to other engineering areas.

Of course all arguments about whether applying patents is reasonable are based on the flawed assumption that M$ is actually telling the truth. IMO M$ is far more likely to have violated the "intellectual property" of others than vice-versa.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 10:24 AM   #199
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All the fine folks that work on the linux projects should all quit having ideas since the M$ folks think they are the only people who can write software or build OS.

But the sad part is M$ has the cash to do or say just about anything. Its all about money and nothing about freedom of ideas or choice.

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Old 05-29-2007, 04:37 AM   #200
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i use linux everyday of the week but i am also MCSE 2003 Certified. Does that make me a bad person?
When did I say MS certifeid people are bad people? Don't change the facts

Why is it for the better MS certified people get fired? Well first of all let me tell you I've met 5 people who were MS certified. Hell they were so stupid that I, as a student, had to help them to get their _basic_ job done.

"Bla bla you just met 5 people out of <insert number here>" What I am trying to say with that is that even my grandma can get MS certified. The certificat stands for nothing. That means even the biggest newbies can get to manage corporate/hospital networks, and they do.

Does this certificat makes you stupid? No, it just means stupid people can get the certificat. Sadly _almost_ all _are_ stupid.

I have read stories, heard stories and had arguments with MS certified people. Hmmm, so IE6 is more secure than Firefox? Hmmm, Windows Live OneCare is currently the best anti-virus on Vista beacause Microsoft has the best knowledge of Vista and therefore makes the best anti-virus? Oh my god...
 
Old 05-29-2007, 05:21 AM   #201
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I dont know what environment you work in that you have to them to get there basic job done. I work with about 80 people and everyone has to have there MCSE and i would say only about 5 of them are stupid. But then again most people dont maintain 1500+ servers for 22 different locations so if they dont know what they are doing they get fired real quick
 
Old 05-29-2007, 06:29 AM   #202
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I dont know what environment you work in that you have to them to get there basic job done.
I have met one guy at my previous school. He works for a company that maintains networks in the Netlerlands. My previous school was connected the servers at that company.

I met 4 other people who work with a network in a big hospital in the Netherlands. Luckilly just as admins. The real deal (sun servers running Red Hat) were done by serious proffesionals.

It involved removing crap (read malware, virusses, etc), some basic GUI configuration and notifying them of some Microsoft software they, as Microsoft certified people, never even heard of(!).

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I work with about 80 people and everyone has to have there MCSE and i would say only about 5 of them are stupid. But then again most people dont maintain 1500+ servers for 22 different locations so if they dont know what they are doing they get fired real quick
I will not deny that there are also a lot of high skilled profesionals with these certificats.

I believe the requirements that must be met in order to obtain such certificat must be a _lot_ higher.

Note that I am not trying to insult you in any way, I just wanted to critisice the certificat.
 
Old 05-29-2007, 06:14 PM   #203
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Thats cool. I don't really care about certs that much because i feel that the cert is just a piece of paper and that you dont have to have the cert to know the stuff covered by the cert. But my job requires them and they pay for them so i go and take them.
 
Old 05-30-2007, 06:32 PM   #204
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Wink The real question here is what really is Microsoft?

After investing $30 Billion dollars to the world good, I no longer see Bill Gates as the head of some evil multi national empire. Neither do I see Steve Balmer as some genious master mind that can't be topped. Rather I just see them as two fellows who happened to be in the right place at the right time, and along with a strong work ethic, not much different than lottery winners.

Truth is, Microsoft is a more an ATTITUDE than anything else. For as long as I can remember, 91% of the population sees computers as a something they don't understand, but as long as they got one it doesn't have to actually work. Because, as I just said, they really don't know if a computer is fit to eat. To 91% of the population its pretty much just another type of television set that they get to talk to (albeit thru email and a keyboard).

How many times have I exhausted myself (along with a giving myself a sore throat) trying to explain how much better Linux is or how much better Mac is only to get that yet oh so infamous, deer in the headlights stare coming back at me.

It's just the way it is and 99% of the folks that work at Microsoft couldn't give a rats ass about anything to the contrary as long as they get their check at the end of the day.

It's all about simply giving the customer what he wants or worse simply what he thinks he wants. Bit of a let down, but you know, it's so true: in the end, the customer is always right.

As for us in the Linux (and or FREE) world. Let's just count our "blessings" that we get to have control over what's ours and thanks be to the defenders of freedom and other civil liberties that mob rule does not have to include everybody at least not all the time.

Just a few things to be thankful for.

However I would like to say, yet again, it is indeed very very admirable for Bill Gates to donate/invest $30 big ones for the general betterment of society. I just hope there is a worthwhile R.O.I. for the money. At least he didn't wait till after his demise before he openly confessed to the whole world, that in the end.... it's only money!

Just my worth!

Have a great day,

- Perry

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Old 05-30-2007, 06:33 PM   #205
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Microsoft is for the garbage can linux ftw!
 
Old 05-30-2007, 07:40 PM   #206
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Perry must be Stephen Balmer. Even Bill Gates doesn't have ego enough to post the tripe he posted.

M$ started out being in the right place at the right time - they were there when IBM came knocking looking for software but they didn't even own an OS in those days. They even sent IBM to what later became Digital Research to get CP/M. The morons at DR basically treated IBM like crap so they went back to M$ to get an OS. Bill went and bought QDOS for $50,000 so he could license it to IBM. QDOS was renamed MSDOS later. It is also generally believed to be a knock off of CP/M which led to later lawsuits based on DR-DOS (which is what CP/M tried to become for the PC industry they'd lost out on before).

From the point of starting with basically pirated software IMO they never looked back on doing things that were ethically questionable at best and downright illegal or tortious at worst to the point where they got incredibly rich not by superiority of product but by forcing resellers to sell there substandard applications along with their OS.

Stealing $1000 dollars from someone and dropping $100 into the poor box at your church does NOT exonerate you from the original crime. Similarly Bill's willingness to give up a fraction of his money now doesn't exonerate M$' antics from the past.
 
Old 05-30-2007, 09:46 PM   #207
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Software patents are holding the it industry back because no one can do anything unless they own a patent on it. Microsof t(and all non-opensource companies) is holding people back from improving their products
 
Old 05-31-2007, 08:08 AM   #208
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Your post implies M$ is correct in their assertion. M$ posts no details of the supposed patent infringements and as has been posted ad nauseum here it is far more likely that M$ has infringe on other people's intellectual property than vice-versa.
 
Old 05-31-2007, 07:16 PM   #209
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I'm getting tired...

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[...] M$ posts no details of the supposed patent infringements and as has been posted ad nauseum here it is far more likely that M$ has infringe on other people's intellectual property than vice-versa.
Ok, is there _anyone_ here that still actally believes this patent and 'intelectual property' crap? Why don't we just stop and boycot this nonsense and never talk about it ever again? You have noooo idea how teierd I am from this bullsh*t. I live in europe anyway so fsck you monkeyboy
 
Old 06-04-2007, 06:26 AM   #210
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Sounds familiar

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I have read stories, heard stories and had arguments with MS certified people. Hmmm, so IE6 is more secure than Firefox? Hmmm, Windows Live OneCare is currently the best anti-virus on Vista beacause Microsoft has the best knowledge of Vista and therefore makes the best anti-virus? Oh my god...
I heard this same type of thing from IBM back when the PS/2 first came out. They would actually say the PS/2 Model 25 (an 8086-based PC) was better than a 386-based system from any other company simply because theirs was an IBM. The specs on the Model 25 per pathetic, and I remember one magazine article (I think it was PC World) saying that it was silly for IBM to sell such an underspec'd system. This was in the mids of Compaq, not IBM, introducing the first 386-based system. And not long after, Microsoft bowed out of the OS/2 joint-development program, and IBM soon thereafter was no longer the industry standard.

Pride goes before the fall. I give Microsoft 5 years.
 
  


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