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Old 09-27-2004, 02:55 PM   #1
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Is this the end for IE users???


Microsoft this week reiterated that it would keep the new version of Microsoft's IE Web browser available only as part of the recently released Windows XP operating system, Service Pack 2. The upgrade to XP from any previous Windows versions is $99 when ordered from Microsoft. Starting from scratch, the operating system costs $199


If you're one of about 200 million people using older versions of Windows and you want the latest security enhancements to Internet Explorer, get your credit card ready.



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Old 09-28-2004, 12:07 AM   #2
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Hmm:
  • Pay $99 to have a more secure browser
  • Switch to a free browser

Looks like good news for free software
 
Old 09-28-2004, 12:11 AM   #3
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hi there

i have been working on fire-fox on both windows and linux before this too!!!,so
no problem for me

regrads
 
Old 09-28-2004, 06:55 PM   #4
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I agree with masand, and feel that the perception by the tech challenged mainstream community here in New Zealand at least is that there is no alternative to IE or other M$ products (eg outlook) they simply know only what the popular media tells them. Also some of the major newspapers employ so called IT profesionals to report the 'important IT news' and they simply report as their news mainstay bugs that affect outlook and IE. While these may be topics which pertain to many people, the reporting and general attitude ingeneral by the IT media here is very one sided.
 
Old 09-29-2004, 02:21 AM   #5
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hi there
this is the same perception in INDIA also

for many people,internet menas clicking on the "BIG E" and then only u can browse the net

and this was my peerception also some time back, since there is not much awareness for this.
same is the case with openofice
not many people know that there a openoffice verson even for windows which is for free

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Old 10-01-2004, 09:43 AM   #6
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keep on keepin' on windows users

It's pretty easy to seperate a fool from his money. Even easier to compell a typical windows user (read: pebcak, someoone that has NO business using a computer) to keep shelling out dough for that pretty desktop.

Baah. MOre business for me -- hey everybody -- keep using your windows -- I am listed in the book.

mu hahah ha hahaha hah hah ahsjAKLDHADS;FHDSBS

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Old 10-01-2004, 02:36 PM   #7
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"is this the end of IE" i really doubt it would die because of them (Microsoft) not upgrading IE for other users (2k, 98, 95, ME [ i feel your pain ]). Microsoft doesn't upgrade IE often, and if you think about it, how many windows users update when a new update comes about? how many would even know that IE isn't getting updates because of their OS? How i see it, it will bring about more popularity for firefox/mozilla from 2k users that are informed about it, but for the most part, i don't think many 2k users will even notice it.
 
Old 10-03-2004, 04:15 PM   #8
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Hi,
Teh real issue in this case is not the home user with a dated PC and a dated OS who would not update anyway, or the other home user with a machine with hot specs and all the updates implemented (probably an overclocker and a gamer). The place where the battle is really fought, I think for browsers is the business. Businesses of larger size which have a reasonable IT dept roll out updates the day they come out often, and will use the same browser across all their workstations for ease of update. If these serious security issues retain their high frequently then there is no doubt that more businesses move to open source browsers and other associated (often packaged) apps just because of the high frequency of update and improvement. Did I hear that Mr Norton himself deems IE to be a security risk with some limited added functionality?
 
Old 10-04-2004, 04:35 AM   #9
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You must don't forget that if windows is so unsecure i'Ts because it is the most use OS with some 85% of the market.... If linux having 85% of the marker and windows some 10% you can be assure that linux will be attacked a lot more by hacker..... Same for Firefox/mozilla,... ( some 1% of the market...).

What is the interest for a hacker to hack a system or software that nobody have.....


But anyway i asume that microsoft strategy suck.....

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Old 10-04-2004, 06:36 PM   #10
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Im sorry wiek,
This is probably not the reality. Far from me to proclaim myself as an expert on this subject, but it seems to me that the community of people who use security holes to attack computers for malicious purposes often do this because of the control they perceive is imposed upon them by either M$, by telling them how to use their computers, or by corporations. The people who attack corporations simply because they are large bodies who may need to enforce certain policies within themselves or because of a perceived injustice in business dealings with the individual, are displaying antisocial behaviour. One would hope that the rapid diagnosing of security risks and subsequent resolution of them would enable the open source browsers to stay ahead of this second group. And also hope that because the browsers which are direct competitors to IE are proponents of freedom of choice and speech that hackers will respect their contributions to society and support them by hacking only to identify bugs and report them to developers.
 
Old 10-11-2004, 08:24 PM   #11
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i don't know if this means anything but, I've recently called my ISP about some settings and the topic of web browser came up (I had to go to a site to get something) and I told him I used "FireFox" (I was in Win98SE at the time, I don't particularly feel comfortable about upgrading to XP, especially since money is tight). The tech guy says "What's that?" He didn't know what Firefox WAS even! I told him it's a much more secure browser than IE and he said that IE is very secure. Good thing I wasn't drinking something at that moment or my monitor would be such a mess I'd not be able to use even Firefox.
 
Old 10-17-2004, 07:54 PM   #12
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People are too set in their ways to change easily. It takes a massive shock for them to finally embrace new, better solutions. I think this might just help. When windows gets more and more insane, more and more people will get fed up.

In response to wiek's comment about security... it just isn't that simple. Linux has a much more secure infrastructure than windows ever has (at the cost of heightened complexity). Also, the fact that the entire system is open source means that solutions to security cracks can be isolated, solved, and those solutions delivered to the users much more efficiently. Agreed, windows update coupled with M$'s massive staff covered some of that, but when huge backdoors like this IE debacle show up, they're clearly hopeless.
 
Old 10-17-2004, 08:15 PM   #13
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My friend said, that since Win SP2, that there is no viruses anymore. No more problems with IE. Is that true. I got into a arguement over it, and he still thinks that linux is stupid. Well, hes the stupid one for buying a product taht you can very well get for free. That comes without viruses.
 
Old 10-17-2004, 10:05 PM   #14
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they have a new firewall and it goes totally PMS if you don't have a virus scanner.

SP2 hasn't been out nearly long enough for security bugs to be found, and the most common reason they are discovered is after they've been exploited. Give it some time, I'm sure this isn't the end-all of windows viruses unless they completely rework windows. Malware and adware aren't so easily spoofed.
 
Old 10-18-2004, 02:37 AM   #15
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hi there

no more time is required!
check out the october updates from microsoft.com
the have got around 9 more vulnerabilities..

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