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downloadtube 07-08-2009 04:27 AM

Google Chrome OS: A Free Alternative To Windows 7
 
Google has just announced the launching of a new operating system based on Google Chrome browser and Linux kernel: Google Chrome OS. It is targeted to to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems. Google Chrome OS is a free alternative for Windows 7, having a faster boot time and more Internet browsing flexibility.

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MS3FGX 07-08-2009 10:42 AM

Chrome OS is in no way designed as a alternative to Windows 7, or any other "traditional" OS for that matter. It is basically a bootable web browser, very little is done on the local machine.

downloadtube 07-09-2009 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MS3FGX (Post 3601061)
Chrome OS is in no way designed as a alternative to Windows 7, or any other "traditional" OS for that matter. It is basically a bootable web browser, very little is done on the local machine.

Quote from the article:“The new operating system offered by Google is definitely a suitable and free alternative to the upcoming Microsoft Windows 7, from the point of view of the Internet usage flexibility and computer boot time performance.” An operating system is definitely more than a bootable web browser - it has a Linux kernel, therefore it should be capable in the future to allow you to deploy standalone applications, different than the web based ones (that do not have a core which relies on a web API).

And a comment from the article: "Everyone, examine what you can do with Google Gears (offline apps) and modern Javascript (including the objects Javascript uses: canvas, xml http request, video and audio tag, all the other DOM objects, etc.)

There’s less and less of a need to develop for the fat client. In fact, you can transfer the fat client into Javascript. You’re “only” missing a proper development environment. Something, however, tells me that this will be resolved in the nearby future as well."

Google Chrome OS: A Free Alternative To Windows 7

someone Awesome 07-09-2009 03:10 AM

There is one thing i don't understand, they are talking about an "all" web OS, while most internet connections are no more then 2.5 mega.
The external server cant be as fast as a harddisk.
how are they going to solve the speed problem?

downloadtube 07-09-2009 04:12 AM

Google Chrome OS: A Free Alternative To Windows 7
 
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Originally Posted by someone Awesome (Post 3601898)
There is one thing i don't understand, they are talking about an "all" web OS, while most internet connections are no more then 2.5 mega.
The external server cant be as fast as a harddisk.
how are they going to solve the speed problem?

Well, in the first place I have an Internet connection (at home) of 8 Mbps. The operating system runs on your computer, the web applications are hosted on a web server or according to the new technologies, they can also work offline.

craigevil 07-09-2009 05:49 AM

Some of the Google apps will work in your browser offline. Both Gmail and Google Docs will work in Firefox with Google Gears already, it probably won't take Google long to get other online apps to work offline as well.

smoker 07-10-2009 02:40 AM

Ubuntu : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Fedora : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Debian : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Slackware : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
White Box : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
FreeBSD : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7

Why does google have the headlines for something that is not an alternative, just a web browsing shell ? Quoting from the article does not prove anything other than the articles bias. All the ones I listed are a free alternative, Chrome OS is not. Unless you regard a refrigerator as an alternative to an operating system. Or a kiosk. Or a hammer.

craigevil 07-10-2009 06:14 AM

Google's advantage, name recognition everyone has heard of Google. Not everyone has heard of linux.

special99 07-11-2009 03:14 PM

Can you download it for free?

H_TeXMeX_H 07-11-2009 03:30 PM

Actually, the Google OS is a good thing ... not because it will be good, because it probably won't be, but because it's free advertising for Linux.

Fish_Kungfu 07-12-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smoker (Post 3603020)
Ubuntu : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Fedora : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Debian : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
Slackware : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
White Box : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7
FreeBSD : A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS 7

AMEN to that, smoker!!

DragonSlayer48DX 07-14-2009 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 3604541)
Actually, the Google OS is a good thing ... not because it will be good, because it probably won't be, but because it's free advertising for Linux.

Mmmm, I'm not so sure. It might be better than we expect.... ;)

Google Chrome OS Could Be Pivotal in the Cloud Revolution

Google Chrome OS is arriving just in time to take advantage of the perfect storm of cloud services, cheap hardware, and a new generation of platform-agnostic users. Unlike other Linux-based OSs, Chrome has brand recognition that even the biggest neophyte could get comfortable with.

Larry Ellison of Oracle was touting the benefits of the network computer back in 1996. He was ahead of his time. People weren’t ready for the network computer, and the network certainly wasn’t ready for the people.

Fast forward to 2009, when many people view computers as mere tools to connect to the Net. Typical uses for computers involve streaming media, social networking, managing photos and information consumption. When the typical home user uses a PC predominantly for communication and entertainment, the offline computer is nearly useless.

Read more.

H_TeXMeX_H 07-14-2009 04:54 AM

It amazes me how fast they inserted the word "cloud" into everything. It just means internet-based doesn't it ? It sounds stupid. I'm not using it.

DragonSlayer48DX 07-15-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 3607023)
It amazes me how fast they inserted the word "cloud" into everything. It just means internet-based doesn't it ? It sounds stupid. I'm not using it.

No worse than calling an MS-DOS-based version of GEOS, "Windows". :D

Cheers

MS3FGX 07-15-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 3607023)
It amazes me how fast they inserted the word "cloud" into everything. It just means internet-based doesn't it ? It sounds stupid. I'm not using it.

To be fair, the term "cloud" has always meant the Internet in the IT world. It has just recently gained popularity in the mainstream. If you look at almost any network diagram in a Cicso book or anything like that, there will always be a cloud to indicate where the network connects to the Internet (or at least some larger switched network out of the LAN).

newbymick 07-18-2009 01:30 PM

So none of you read the article in Linux Format (issue 120) headed

"What on earth is Chromium"

and I quote


LXF - Er, wait a minute - I've heard of this. Isn't it called Chrome?
Chrome is a web browser, but that's the name given to the finished, stable product released on WINDOWS. Chromium is the name of the open source project behind Chrome

LXF - Wow. Chrome is open source?
It certainly is! When it announced the project, Google said it was making it free because it was based on so much other free software - KHTML - aka WebKit - is the core of the browser, for example

Coburn64 07-18-2009 09:37 PM

Google Chrome OS does look quite interesting, but will it allow 3rd party apps to be installed?

Otherwise you'd have to use Google-only apps, like Google Page Creator and Google Office (Google Docs & Speadsheets). I also heard it'll be cross-platform compatible, which is a plus, I guess...

chickenlinux 07-19-2009 07:53 AM

Google OS on netbooks by 2010?!
I thought netbooks actually did *some* things other than go on the 'net!

I hope GoogleOS doesn't become popular enough that people think they invented Linux or something... that'd really suck.

DragonSlayer48DX 07-19-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coburn64 (Post 3612300)
Google Chrome OS does look quite interesting, but will it allow 3rd party apps to be installed?

Otherwise you'd have to use Google-only apps, like Google Page Creator and Google Office (Google Docs & Speadsheets). I also heard it'll be cross-platform compatible, which is a plus, I guess...

For locally installed apps: Because it's Linux-based, third-party apps should work, although one might need to compile from source (not sure of their intentions concerning repos).

For Cloud Services: Since the app actually runs on the server and communicates with your PC through standard web protocols, it would be 'cross-platform' compatible, there.

Cheers

newbymick 07-20-2009 04:16 AM

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Howlett/?p=1065


Krishnan Subramanian at Cloud Ave lends a more level headed view:

"Instead of doing their own OS, they could have rallied behind one of the Linux distros, say Damn Small Linux, and helped them get traction among the hardware vendors. This is a move by Google to deflect the high handed tactics by Microsoft in the netbook market but it appears to me like a redundant one. I feel that they should have supported one of the existing distros. However, if they had taken that route, there is no way they could have pushed the Google Chrome browser (and their services) tightly integrated with the Linux distro. In short, it is a desperate attempt by Google to stop Microsoft in the netbook game and, also, push the Google Chrome browser to the masses at a point in time when IE’s market share is going downhill."

chickenlinux 12-14-2009 05:59 AM

Agreed. And, the fact of the matter is, everything's not going to be ported to the cloud. And, don't forget, the more you depend on your Internet to do everything, the more chances there are to be hacked, and the more you rely on a fast inet connection. D: Haven't you all heard of chrome's vulnerabilities (leading to remote code execution -- yikes!) that were addressed in old versions of safari and Google's rather poor response to them? I <b>don't</b> trust them with my security. Furthermore, y'all knew that chrome 'provides extra ammunition' for advertisers? Google is, after all, an advertisement company. I've always liked FF better. More user friendly in the same way that Linux is - you can tweak it :)

Google Chromium? Open source? I downloaded 800+ MB (just the chrome .tar.bz2, not including all these bizarre & obscure extra libraries) to try and compile it. It used totally nonstandard build tools and tried to replace my gnu linker with a google version. Now, can somebody tell me what's wrong here?

Now, don't call me a corporate software hater. There's a time and place for that. It provides programmers with jobs, and is good should you want to buy support for something more! I just don't think that corporate software works when it's the whole OS. I mean, Windows, Google Chrome OS, Macintosh - what is the underlying problem? ;)

gilli67 01-26-2010 10:36 AM

Google plans to use security features such as system hardening, process sandboxing, verified boot, secure auto-update and encryption in its new OS. I really like the google chrome OS security features because every time you restart your PC , it checks for digital signature to ensure that everything is OK. If it finds something is wrong and not signed by Google, it will refresh itself through the update process.

smoker 01-26-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gilli67 (Post 3841129)
Google plans to use security features such as system hardening, process sandboxing, verified boot, secure auto-update and encryption in its new OS. I really like the google chrome OS security features because every time you restart your PC , it checks for digital signature to ensure that everything is OK. If it finds something is wrong and not signed by Google, it will refresh itself through the update process.

So basically it's an appliance.
I thought we hated the idea of security on a chip when it was presented as the Trusted Platform Module, now it's being snuck in under googles ever expanding umbrella.

Assume for a moment that your GoS system has been compromised somehow - if I were to write something with that objective in mind, the first thing I would prevent is any contact with googles home base(s). So no automatic "refresh" of the dodgy code.

What happens then ? Does the OS lock you out, or shut down entirely ? Or does it let you proceed ?
Either way, it's not doing its job and is just in the way. It does you well to remember who actually owns the hardware.

Computing for the mindless masses IMHO.

H_TeXMeX_H 01-26-2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smoker (Post 3841178)
So basically it's an appliance.
I thought we hated the idea of security on a chip when it was presented as the Trusted Platform Module, now it's being snuck in under googles ever expanding umbrella.

Assume for a moment that your GoS system has been compromised somehow - if I were to write something with that objective in mind, the first thing I would prevent is any contact with googles home base(s). So no automatic "refresh" of the dodgy code.

What happens then ? Does the OS lock you out, or shut down entirely ? Or does it let you proceed ?
Either way, it's not doing its job and is just in the way. It does you well to remember who actually owns the hardware.

Computing for the mindless masses IMHO.

Very good point, I was thinking along the same lines. I don't see too much special about this Google OS that would make me want to try it.

GoinEasy9 01-26-2010 02:35 PM

I was in the cloud in the late 60's .... but I'm much better now.

But seriously, do you trust your most sensitive information on someone else's servers?

MrCode 01-26-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smoker
What happens then ? Does the OS lock you out, or shut down entirely ? Or does it let you proceed ?

If it does any one of those things (except the last one :)), then it's basically like putting DRM on the whole OS...

I expect that even if it does let you proceed, though, it'll probably hit you with a bunch of "Are you sure?" type messages everywhere.

So I suppose that means if the wireless stops working in your ChromeOS netbook, it's effectively b0rked.

smoker 01-26-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3841449)
If it does any one of those things (except the last one :)), then it's basically like putting DRM on the whole OS...

I expect that even if it does let you proceed, though, it'll probably hit you with a bunch of "Are you sure?" type messages everywhere.

So I suppose that means if the wireless stops working in your ChromeOS netbook, it's effectively b0rked.

Even the last one - if the whole point is to stop malicious code, then allowing you to proceed after malicious code is detected is completely stupid, but to lock the OS down in that situation is completely stupid too because it takes control away from you, the owner of that hardware.

There is always the false positive to worry about on the last point, and we all know that trying to one-up the "hackers" is a road to no-where.

So what is the point other than "woo hoo look at me, I'm a google boondoggle" ?

Not thought through, as usual.

Maybe I should re-register as the grinch ;-)

MrCode 01-26-2010 06:31 PM

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Not thought through, as usual.
Directed at me or at Google?

If it's at me, sorry. I suppose I probably should've kept my big mouth shut... :( :redface:

smoker 01-27-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3841654)
Directed at me or at Google?

???

Did you design this OS then ?

If not, then obviously it was directed at google, and anybody else who believes perfect security is possible in a general purpose OS.


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