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Old 02-10-2010, 09:44 AM   #16
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Junkieman, thanks, much appreciated and very nice.

kbp, the difference is not really minuscule; one is supported by RHT and one is not.

Electro, Compiz is a full compositing window manager to my understanding (Compiz Extras and Compiz Fusion are simply enhancements). I explained the guidelines for voting in one of the introductory posts and also go into detail every year regarding the fact that some nominees in certain categories are not directly comparable.

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Old 02-10-2010, 09:48 AM   #17
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Quote:
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Compiz is not a window manager. It is an enhancement or eye candy for both Window and Desktop managers.
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Compiz is one of the first compositing window managers for the X Window System that uses 3D graphics hardware to create fast compositing desktop effects for window management.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz
 
Old 02-10-2010, 10:18 AM   #18
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Compiz is not a window manager. It is an enhancement or eye candy for both Window and Desktop managers.

I suggest you place a reminder to users before voting to not vote based on favorite, but vote based on what did better than previous year. The reason why I am saying this is because it seems people voted based on their favorite.

I disagree with the results because most do not deserve an award. OpenOffice did nothing to improve, but made my life a living hell to use it. Do not forget to include Softmaker Office for next year.

I do not think you should include Programming Language, Host Security Application, and some others because each program in these categories are used differently, so they can not compare. It is like using a strainer to be used as a cup trying to hold a liquid.
I disagree - I know I voted on most improved/changed. I voted VirtualBox, for example, even though my favorite is VMware. VirtualBox totally blew me away this year and is on the way to being an overall favorite, despite not having 1/3rd the functionality of VMware.

Programming languages are not that different - most problems can be approached by at least 6 or 7 languages, so I must disagree with you there. That's not saying that Ruby can do microcode, but more that CGI/Web stuff can be done by easily a dozen languages (including C).
 
Old 02-10-2010, 04:40 PM   #19
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Proposing two additional categories for next year:

"Most Adaptable Distribution of the Year"

"Most Geeky Distribution of the Year"
 
Old 02-10-2010, 08:08 PM   #20
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Do not believe everything you read on wikipedia, so it is a worst resource. Compiz is an enhancement or eye candy -- period.


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I disagree - I know I voted on most improved/changed. I voted VirtualBox, for example, even though my favorite is VMware. VirtualBox totally blew me away this year and is on the way to being an overall favorite, despite not having 1/3rd the functionality of VMware.

Programming languages are not that different - most problems can be approached by at least 6 or 7 languages, so I must disagree with you there. That's not saying that Ruby can do microcode, but more that CGI/Web stuff can be done by easily a dozen languages (including C).
Virtualbox did not impress me last year. It is unreliable and unstable.

Using any programming language is a matter of preference. None of them are better than the other. Python got a award based on it being the most favorite, so that category should not be in there at all. If you disagree then you do not know about programming languages.
 
Old 02-10-2010, 09:03 PM   #21
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Do not believe everything you read on wikipedia, so it is a worst resource. Compiz is an enhancement or eye candy -- period.

Virtualbox did not impress me last year. It is unreliable and unstable.
Ah. I see from your posting history that you were the guy unable to figure out how to set up a network with VirtualBox. I now understand your dislike of it

I haven't had that problem, in fact I've used it with Windows, Debian, and PC-BSD as host OSs and a range of guests going from Windows to Ubuntu and PC-BSD without ever having a networking issue. Perhaps I'm lucky, but I never had to do a single tweak aside from memory allocations.
Still, opinions are opinions, and I respect yours.

As for Compiz being a window manager, even your own distro disagrees with you:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Compiz-Fusion
As do several others:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz
http://www.compiz.org/
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/..._compiz_fusion
http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Fusion

Maybe you don't believe Wikipedia, but I'm afraid you're just incorrect here.
 
Old 02-10-2010, 09:57 PM   #22
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Ah. I see from your posting history that you were the guy unable to figure out how to set up a network with VirtualBox. I now understand your dislike of it

I haven't had that problem, in fact I've used it with Windows, Debian, and PC-BSD as host OSs and a range of guests going from Windows to Ubuntu and PC-BSD without ever having a networking issue. Perhaps I'm lucky, but I never had to do a single tweak aside from memory allocations.
Still, opinions are opinions, and I respect yours.

As for Compiz being a window manager, even your own distro disagrees with you:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Compiz-Fusion
As do several others:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz
http://www.compiz.org/
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/..._compiz_fusion
http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Fusion

Maybe you don't believe Wikipedia, but I'm afraid you're just incorrect here.
It is not about being incorrect about Compiz. It is about disagreeing with people that want one thing be in a category that should not in instead it is just eye candy. Compiz is eye candy crap that enhances any window manager or desktop manager, but Compiz is not a window manager because it uses someone else to make it its own. Basically Compiz is compositing manager.
 
Old 02-10-2010, 11:43 PM   #23
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Using any programming language is a matter of preference. None of them are better than the other. Python got a award based on it being the most favorite, so that category should not be in there at all. If you disagree then you do not know about programming languages.
That's not quite an accurate statement. Some languages are better suited for certain types of programming than others, and some languages do have features that make the programming process more productive or defects that get in the way.

Of course, I'm sure you know that and we all know that. Maybe it would be better to subdivide the competition. For example:

Which language is best for...
- Web Design
- Application Programming
- Embedded Development
- Scientific Applications
- et cetera
 
Old 02-12-2010, 09:55 PM   #24
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As an everyday editor of course it is vim over emacs, because...

emacs was entered in the kitchen sink category!

Organizers of the competition were overheard explaining that, "The kitchen sink category was not included in the vote this year as only one application/OS falls into the category so voting on it would lead to a bit of an anticlimax" ;-)

(Note that I am a died in the wool emacs user. I just could not resist a bit of teasing. Also note that I can tolerate vi or vim ("or even ed", he says, dating himself) as a nice standard out of the box editor in a standard Linux/Unix installation.) What I hate is having a different "default" text editor in every newfangled distro.

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Thanks Jeremy.
Just to let you know there must be a bug in the script that counts votes. I mean, vim over emacs - that can't be right, LOL
 
Old 02-14-2010, 05:15 PM   #25
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Compiz is not a window manager. It is an enhancement or eye candy for both Window and Desktop managers.
Then what's managing my windows?
It's not metacity, mutter, openbox, or twm, which are the only other window managers installed on my system. Granted, I'm using emerald to decorate the windows, but I do believe compiz is doing the management.
 
Old 02-15-2010, 12:51 AM   #26
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Category for software in testing?

Perhaps we might add a category for most promising new technology, i.e. projects still in testing. I think this would be a tantalizing group and would introduce users to projects on which they could provide feedback to the developers.

For example, we might include in this category things like:

Zeitgeist
Gnome-Shell
Akonadi (I know this is out, but it is still quite buggy)
KBFX
ETC.

We might also include a category for best widget program:
  • Screenlets
  • Desklets
  • Plasmoids
  • SuperKaramba
  • Google Gadgets
  • ETC

Your thoughts?

~Cheers!
 
Old 02-15-2010, 05:09 AM   #27
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For those interested, I posted a top 5 summary for each category. If anything seems out of place, or I missed something, leave a comment on the post
Wow! That's fantastic! Thanks a lot.

And thanks for using the term "elite users" instead of (ahem, turns head to the side in disugust) "power users". That last phrase, in my not so humble opinion, should be forever banished from the face of the earth!

Last edited by blackhole54; 02-15-2010 at 05:12 AM.
 
Old 02-15-2010, 05:58 AM   #28
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You calling us terrible?

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It is probably down to Slacware's terrible dependency-handling, Brian. :->

pff I do a great job get with it man
I rarely even use the pkgtools. I just use what it uses
 
Old 02-15-2010, 09:22 AM   #29
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Well Guys, as a Noob, I applaud the contents of the result. For those people like myself, it gives us a great idea of some of the various programs to use. This ofcourse, does not take anything away from the tremndous help we get from all you Guys out there. We really appreciate it. Thats all.
All the best.

Lucky
 
Old 02-15-2010, 12:09 PM   #30
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My first post so it's likely to be fraught with error. Your comment that Open Office made your life 'a living hell' was a real stopper. Could you detail that statement a bit for us? Thank you.
 
  


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