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Old 02-22-2009, 05:06 AM   #46
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wow, i didn't expect KDE to win but i'm glad it did It's my favorite DE!
 
Old 02-23-2009, 09:44 AM   #47
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What you say is truthful and makes sense - Debian can be daunting - even to experienced users. - your point is well made. - and a excellent handle by the way.

As an alternative to Ubuntu converting windoze users, can i offer up PCLinux - if those nice people who run it, ever get their latest upgrade sorted, it offers a user friendly environment, and importantly if we consider converting those who had microsoft already installed on their machines a friendly forum where if you ask newbie questions you are not looked down upon and as with all linux distro's if you become curious and get under the bonnet you can make it dance and sing.

By the by, how many readers of this forum are also members of LUG's?
I just tried PCLinux OS 2007 and it's very good. I have a laptop Dell Latitude Pentium III that has trouble with booting Ubuntu, both 8.04 and 8.1, so I tried PCLinux 2007.

The CD startup on boot is a bit more complicated because it asks the user a few questions in the process, where Unbuntu does not. This does make it a bit more advanced, in my opinion, than Ubuntu, and allows it to work better with some equipment. For example, my Dell Latitude. My Latitude has a wireless card, and although it didn't work with PC Linux, PC Linux did indicate a web address for a driver that I could try. I haven't done that yet, but I am hopeful.
 
Old 02-23-2009, 08:36 PM   #48
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What!!!?? Slack didn't win??? We were robbed m8!!! . Congrats to all the winners, some truly fine apps did indeed deservedly top their individual categories. There are other superb systems which could have justifiably gained first place, but everyone can't win. Lets hope the fine work continues and the support of the community remains strong.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 08:34 PM   #49
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Honestly who thought that any other distrobution would actually be better then Ubuntu.

Last edited by RHLinuxGUY; 02-24-2009 at 08:36 PM.
 
Old 02-25-2009, 06:31 AM   #50
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Honestly who thought that any other distrobution would actually be better then Ubuntu.
Honestly, I can't find a reason to run Ubuntu, because I can find always a better distribution for any architecture or purpose.

However, Ubuntu is a good general purpose distribution, simple and basic, goot for first time linux users.
 
Old 02-28-2009, 09:50 PM   #51
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I don't know if it is irrelevant, but maybe something like a poll of web content platforms - Wordpress, Drupal, Plone etc. - could be interesting for next year?
Hi All,

As social networking becomes more and more important, plus eCommerce for the lttle guy - I would agree here. In fact today I ran across this eCommerce comparison.

I've used Joomla! and Wordpress, plus SMF for Forums extensively. Try as I might I never could get things going with Drupal.

I do like the idea of exposing the different opensource applications that are out there.

Enjoy - and do no harm.

Jeremy - thanks for helping this newbie along about 4 - 5 years ago.
 
Old 03-09-2009, 09:55 PM   #52
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Thumbs down It's sad

Which distribution:
Boots on older hardware to the newest?
Boots with malfunctioning hardware?
Installs the development packages along with the binaries?
Includes the source code along with the provided binaries?

Slackware.


I've never understood why Debian and Red Hat were so analretentive about splitting documentation, development files, and binaries.

Apt and Rpm remind me of a book I read on Business Rules.

Business Rules are quite possibly the best way to define constraints. In a database, if the string can only hold six characters then indeed it should not hold anymore. But limiting the minimum to three where only one is necessary does indeed prove their inferiority.

So they must be designed carefully and not too restrictive.

What follows is only an example and is fictional.

gnomelib 2.4 -> jpeglib 6.1 -> libc 2.6

This does represent a business rule that has exceptions.

* gnomelib 2.4 runs with jpeglib 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 5.0
* gnomelib 2.4 doesn't run with jpeglib 6.2.1, new function arguments
* gnomelib 2.4 includes functionality for a proprietary routine to render fonts but must be disabled for United States Servers.

Apt and Rpm do the right thing for installation but the worng thing for uninstallation.

Parts of gnome get removed and in turn remove parts that are required by other parts which in turn get removed.

It can be a real mess. I saw this in Lenny (Debian 5 beta) when I tried to remove the open source flash player.

Installpkg from Slackware installs and removes the package. Irregardless, it cares not should something depend on it.

We all have our opinions.

Therefore I don't see how Ubuntu got desktop OS of the year. It don't even ship with the ability to play mp3's.

It's going to be hard to convince somebody to switch from Windows when you all but restrict the software selection as they do in Ubuntu.

Debian at least ships with a plethora of software on the first DVD.
Ubuntu, a copy of Debian can't even seem to include beneficial packages. DVD is only 2 Gigabytes there is plenty of room for more packages.

Ultimate Edition is what Ubuntu should be but still misses the mark not having Atheros support.

I won't end without criticizing Slackware.

Debian's ACPI scripts rival any I've seen and should be included along with the laptop-mode scripts for increasing battery life.

Suggestions are a bit of a one way street with the Slack Command Group camp. If your not an Alien or a Bob, I don't see how you can get something included in the distro without starting your own.

Which is why I believe there are so many.

LSB needs to happen but the one thing that must be agreed upon is support for old hardware. The poorest of nations, the United States of America in generally will tend to have some old hardware available especially in it's schools. Poor families may won't to provide their son's and daughters a personal computer for which to assist them in school. I don't see Ubuntu there yet, nor SUSE or even Slack.
Mandriva maybe.

True I could configure a computer for that family and school but Microsoft still has us here.

XP / 2000 have never failed to install on anything I've tried with exception to a very new raid controller i got for 20$ off Pricewatch.
Injected a driver on a streamline and walla.

No apt, rpm nor even a tgz there.

Then there is this mess of renaming /dev/hda to /dev/sda. Seems like FreeBSD did something similar years ago. I think it was a mess then to.


On a non related note, ACTIVATIONS SUCK!

You just bought a brand new machine, sales receipt in hand, you are required to activate it by phone, internet, or modem. What the hell? Can't EA, Microsoft, and Nero just database link to Walmart and query the creditcard sale?

I think I to want to help poor families. But I don't think a PC is the key. Dune was such a great story of mankind focusing on training himself not a machine. So I think Frank is trying to tell us a truth about our future. I think 80% of what a computer becomes used for is media player, social networker, and
brain drain.

After 22 years of typing my handwriting looks like 3rd graders best attempt at cursive.

enough with my rants.

Peace brethern!

Last edited by salemboot; 03-09-2009 at 10:29 PM.
 
Old 03-10-2009, 02:47 AM   #53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by salemboot View Post
Which distribution:
Boots on older hardware to the newest?
Boots with malfunctioning hardware?
Installs the development packages along with the binaries?
Includes the source code along with the provided binaries?

Slackware.


I've never understood why Debian and Red Hat were so analretentive about splitting documentation, development files, and binaries.

Apt and Rpm remind me of a book I read on Business Rules.

Business Rules are quite possibly the best way to define constraints. In a database, if the string can only hold six characters then indeed it should not hold anymore. But limiting the minimum to three where only one is necessary does indeed prove their inferiority.

So they must be designed carefully and not too restrictive.

What follows is only an example and is fictional.

gnomelib 2.4 -> jpeglib 6.1 -> libc 2.6

This does represent a business rule that has exceptions.

* gnomelib 2.4 runs with jpeglib 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 5.0
* gnomelib 2.4 doesn't run with jpeglib 6.2.1, new function arguments
* gnomelib 2.4 includes functionality for a proprietary routine to render fonts but must be disabled for United States Servers.

Apt and Rpm do the right thing for installation but the worng thing for uninstallation.

Parts of gnome get removed and in turn remove parts that are required by other parts which in turn get removed.

It can be a real mess. I saw this in Lenny (Debian 5 beta) when I tried to remove the open source flash player.

Installpkg from Slackware installs and removes the package. Irregardless, it cares not should something depend on it.

We all have our opinions.

Therefore I don't see how Ubuntu got desktop OS of the year. It don't even ship with the ability to play mp3's.

It's going to be hard to convince somebody to switch from Windows when you all but restrict the software selection as they do in Ubuntu.

Debian at least ships with a plethora of software on the first DVD.
Ubuntu, a copy of Debian can't even seem to include beneficial packages. DVD is only 2 Gigabytes there is plenty of room for more packages.

Ultimate Edition is what Ubuntu should be but still misses the mark not having Atheros support.

I won't end without criticizing Slackware.

Debian's ACPI scripts rival any I've seen and should be included along with the laptop-mode scripts for increasing battery life.

Suggestions are a bit of a one way street with the Slack Command Group camp. If your not an Alien or a Bob, I don't see how you can get something included in the distro without starting your own.

Which is why I believe there are so many.

LSB needs to happen but the one thing that must be agreed upon is support for old hardware. The poorest of nations, the United States of America in generally will tend to have some old hardware available especially in it's schools. Poor families may won't to provide their son's and daughters a personal computer for which to assist them in school. I don't see Ubuntu there yet, nor SUSE or even Slack.
Mandriva maybe.

True I could configure a computer for that family and school but Microsoft still has us here.

XP / 2000 have never failed to install on anything I've tried with exception to a very new raid controller i got for 20$ off Pricewatch.
Injected a driver on a streamline and walla.

No apt, rpm nor even a tgz there.

Then there is this mess of renaming /dev/hda to /dev/sda. Seems like FreeBSD did something similar years ago. I think it was a mess then to.


On a non related note, ACTIVATIONS SUCK!

You just bought a brand new machine, sales receipt in hand, you are required to activate it by phone, internet, or modem. What the hell? Can't EA, Microsoft, and Nero just database link to Walmart and query the creditcard sale?

I think I to want to help poor families. But I don't think a PC is the key. Dune was such a great story of mankind focusing on training himself not a machine. So I think Frank is trying to tell us a truth about our future. I think 80% of what a computer becomes used for is media player, social networker, and
brain drain.

After 22 years of typing my handwriting looks like 3rd graders best attempt at cursive.

enough with my rants.

Peace brethern!
true, slackware also runs with half the memory than debian and fedora
the issue, however, is that there is no sparc, alpha, hp-pa, ibm 6000 ppc and mips port, so until I win the lottery and buy two itaNIC servers, I guess I'm stucked with fedora and debian

Also, it may take a while, because there are ultra sparcs out there for less than 50 bucks, and those are nice machines, way nicer than your 50 bucks old pc

peace to you
daniel

Last edited by dibi58; 03-10-2009 at 02:53 AM.
 
Old 03-11-2009, 06:03 PM   #54
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Honestly who thought that any other distrobution would actually be better then Ubuntu.
I really think that openSuSE is better than Ubuntu for linux newbies..
 
Old 03-20-2009, 10:12 AM   #55
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Thumbs down But not kubuntu ..

but not kubuntu. It still has some clumsiness.
ubuntu is great. I voted for it.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 01:04 AM   #56
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I have to admit, while I think there are a number of really good distros, I don't understand what all the hoo-haw is about regarding Ubuntu. It's a good distro, but it's not anything to write home about.

Maybe it's because I'm not much of a GNOME fan. I think GNOME has some great features, but it doesn't suit my fancy. I've always been a KDE guy... from 2.x... now using 4.2. It just makes more sense to me.

With that in mind, had I remembered to vote, I would have voted for openSUSE. It's KDE setup, IMHO, is better than the rest.
 
  


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