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Old 05-17-2016, 09:49 AM   #1
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YUMI and Windows System Repair disc


Please .. I need some explanation: First I created System Repair disc on Windows 7, it had 2 folders and 1 file: boot, sources and bootmgr , then I created a USB drive from those 3. Everything was OK and I was able to get to the System Repair options when I booted from that USB. Then I found that I could use 'multiboot' USB and used YUMI. In YUMI I found option to have multiple boots on one USB. I downloaded Windows 7 System Repair disc ISO, found in YUMI option 'Boot Repair Disk' and created it. When I started it I realized that's not the same as 'System Repair disc'. My question: could someone explain me how I could but 'System Repair disc' on multiboot?
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Old 05-17-2016, 12:40 PM   #2
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Did you see the quote below on the YUMI main page?

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Important Note: YUMI was intended to be used to try to run various "LIVE Linux" Operating Systems from USB
Note the emphasis on "LIVE Linux". You can't use it with windows. If all you want is to make a windows system repair disk, you might be better off at a windows forum.

Create the windows repair on the flash as you did originally, then use a Linux partition manager to shrink that original partition and create an additional partition on which to put whichever other bootable Linux software you want. Probably need to install Grub. You don't give any info on what else you want on the flash drive?

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Old 05-17-2016, 01:23 PM   #3
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- yancek,
thanks so much for explanation.
Actually I do have 2 USB: one for System Repair 32 bit and one for System Repair 64 bit for Win7.
Then I created Multiboot USB using YUMI for Clonezilla with 2 boots: for 32 and 64 bit.
Then I thought: why I need 3 USB while I could add System Repair 32 bit and 64 bit to Multiboot with Clonezilla.
Are you saying it's not feasible to add it to that USB?
 
Old 05-17-2016, 01:40 PM   #4
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The programs on the YUMI USB drive don't need to be Linux. For example, two of the programs on my YUMI drive are Windows programs, Macrium Reflect and MiniTool Partition Wizard, which launch a Windows PE environment on boot (I chose the GRUB option when installing the ISOs on the YUMI drive).

Your Windows 7 System Repair Disk may well work too. However, when installing it to your YUMI drive, select the "Try Unlisted ISO (GRUB)" at the foot of the options. If that doesn't ultimately work, you can try the other three options next to it.

Also, download WinContig and ensure that the files on YUMI drive are contiguous after having installed the ISOs you want - there have been known problems with booting ISOs on the YUMI drive that aren't actually stored on it contiguously. Use Action->Analyze, then Action->Defragment (Don't Check disk; Don't start Disk Cleanup).
 
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Are you saying it's not feasible to add it to that USB?
I was simply quoting from the YUMI page about being able to run various "Linux Live systems". You can boot the windows installation medium from a flash drive using Grub so I suppose you could boot 'System Repair' also. Whether you could boot both a 32 and 64 bit from the same flash drive partition would depend upon the file/folders you need to boot.

Putting your clonezilla on a separate partition from the windows software would probably be simpler.

I've never used YUMI as I usually manually create whatever I want so I really can't help with that.
I did an online search for "windows 7 system repair" and didn't come up with anything. Lots of hits for "startup repair", is that the same thing?

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Old 05-17-2016, 08:06 PM   #6
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In Windows Control Panel - Backup and Restore ... we have an option called 'Create a system repair disc'. I created that disc and then put data on flash drive. When I boot from that USB it starts 'Windows Repair options ...'
When I created from that disc the ISO image, then selected 'Boot Repair' option in YUMI and then booted ... I've got completely different application. It could be used for Boot Repair ... but it's not the same as I've got from System repair disc I burned from Windows.
Here I'm confused why using that ISO I don't have the same application I do from disc directly? Are they different? Or I'm doing something wrong?
 
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If you are able to put the system repair software on a flash drive and boot it, why are you you using YUMI to repeat the process. If it works, why change anything. If you want to add clonezilla or some other bootable tools you can do that and use grub2 to boot it and also boot the system repair, I imagine. I'm not familiar with YUMI so I don't know if you could use that.
 
Old 05-18-2016, 04:33 AM   #8
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In Windows Control Panel - Backup and Restore ... we have an option called 'Create a system repair disc'. I created that disc and then put data on flash drive. When I boot from that USB it starts 'Windows Repair options ...'
When I created from that disc the ISO image, then selected 'Boot Repair' option in YUMI and then booted ... I've got completely different application. It could be used for Boot Repair ... but it's not the same as I've got from System repair disc I burned from Windows.
Here I'm confused why using that ISO I don't have the same application I do from disc directly? Are they different? Or I'm doing something wrong?
Please read my post, Susja. You should *not* select the "Boot Repair" option in YUMI. It is, as you see, a different application.

You should select the "Try Unlisted ISO (GRUB)" option.
 
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I've never used YUMI...
And hence all the confusion...
 
Old 05-18-2016, 12:53 PM   #10
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I got my windows 7 repair (recovery) CD out and tested it as well as putting clonezilla on the flash drive. They booted without problem with the following method. Since you have been a member here for 5 years, I expect you have Grub2 available on some system?
If not, good luck!

Put your System Repair (Recovery) CD in the drive. Plug in a flash drive with an ntfs formatted partition. Copy the folders/files from the CD to the partition on the flash drive. Copy both instances (32 and 64 bit) of clonezilla iso files to the same partition. Install Grub2 to the MBR of the flash drive changing 'user' below to your actual user and make sure the path is correct and you use the correct device as it might not be sdc. When creating the partition, label it 'windows' or you will then need to use it's uuid:

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sudo grub-install --target=i386-pc --boot-directory="/media/user/windows/boot" /dev/sdc
Then create a grub.cfg file in the /boot/grub directory of that partition with the entries below. Make sure you change the entry for the clonezilla iso if it isn't the same version and put both entries for 32 and 64 bit. The entry for windows will need to have the UUID changed to whatever it is on your system which you can get with the blkid command.:

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default=1
timeout=15
color_normal=light-cyan/dark-gray
menu_color_normal=black/light-cyan
menu_color_highlight=white/black

menuentry "Windows Recovery" {
insmod ntfs
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid 6A5F3DCA0902A619 --set root
chainloader +1
boot
}
menuentry "Clonezilla live" {
set isofile="/clonezilla-live-20160516-xenial-amd64.iso"
loopback loop $isofile
linux (loop)/live/vmlinuz boot=live union=overlay username=user config components quiet noswap nolocales edd=on nomodeset nodmraid ocs_live_run="ocs-live-general" ocs_live_extra_param="" keyboard-layouts= ocs_live_batch="no" locales= vga=788 ip=frommedia nosplash toram=filesystem.squashfs findiso=$isofile
initrd (loop)/live/initrd.img
}
Putting both the 32 and 64 bit windows system repair on the same partition will not work because the folder/file names duplicate each other. You should be able to install one on a second ntfs partition and modify the menuentry to suit. This also worked on the flash drive I used.

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Old 05-19-2016, 03:23 PM   #11
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Please read my post, Susja. You should *not* select the "Boot Repair" option in YUMI. It is, as you see, a different application.

You should select the "Try Unlisted ISO (GRUB)" option.
- hydrurga,
Thanks for your valuable comments.
2 things left for me:
1. I downloaded SystemRescueCd.iso , followed documentation, created USB drive on my Linux system and did not have a problem to start it.
But my goal is to use it on Windows PC's. Hence I'm using YUMI multiboot utility for it.
I tried to add this ISO to YUMI, I used unlisted ISO ( not sure I had to use grub or syslinux or etc )
When I booted it and selected the first (default) option it failed stating that some files are missing.
My question: In case I want to put it on YUMI ... which ISO should I select and which options to use?
2. Recently I added 2 tools : Win Repair 32 bit and Win Repair 64 bit to YUMI
Now I want to remove those 2 tools for Windows.
When I start YUMI in System Tools I see 4 tools: Clonezilla and Win Repair but when in startup I select option 'View and Remove ..' I could see only Clonezilla and Win Repair are not listed.
My question: How could I remove those 2 boots I'm not interested in ...
Thanks in advance
 
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- hydrurga,
Thanks for your valuable comments.
2 things left for me:
1. I downloaded SystemRescueCd.iso , followed documentation, created USB drive on my Linux system and did not have a problem to start it.
But my goal is to use it on Windows PC's. Hence I'm using YUMI multiboot utility for it.
I tried to add this ISO to YUMI, I used unlisted ISO ( not sure I had to use grub or syslinux or etc )
When I booted it and selected the first (default) option it failed stating that some files are missing.
My question: In case I want to put it on YUMI ... which ISO should I select and which options to use?
2. Recently I added 2 tools : Win Repair 32 bit and Win Repair 64 bit to YUMI
Now I want to remove those 2 tools for Windows.
When I start YUMI in System Tools I see 4 tools: Clonezilla and Win Repair but when in startup I select option 'View and Remove ..' I could see only Clonezilla and Win Repair are not listed.
My question: How could I remove those 2 boots I'm not interested in ...
Thanks in advance
1. System Rescue CD should be one of the options on the YUMI drop-down list - choose that one.

2. I'm not entirely with you here - did you try running YUMI and clicking the 'View or Remove Installed Distros' check box? EDIT - oops, I see you tried that option. I don't have my YUMI drive to hand at the moment but will check it out when I next do.

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Old 05-19-2016, 09:16 PM   #13
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1. System Rescue CD should be one of the options on the YUMI drop-down list - choose that one.

2. I'm not entirely with you here - did you try running YUMI and clicking the 'View or Remove Installed Distros' check box? EDIT - oops, I see you tried that option. I don't have my YUMI drive to hand at the moment but will check it out when I next do.
Well I'm all set with 1. i.e. thanks to your advice I was able to install and run SystemRescueCD
I still failed to remove System Repair CD even using Windows app hence I simply reformatted and re-installed YUMI and I'm all set with those boots as well.
The last thing that left unresolved is to install Windows 7 System Repair CD. I followed your instructions, used Unlisted ISO (with GRUB) and was able to install it (note: I downloaded ISO from Web, I also tried to create my own ISO from the files I burned from Windows). In any case I was able to start it from YUMI, got menu - GRUM Bootable ISOs and Windows 7 -> Boot Windows 7 32-bit Repair Disc.iso BUT it failed to boot with the error:

find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /multiboot/ISOS/Windows 7 32-bit Repair Disc.iso
Error 15: File not found

Any clue why it failed to start
Well ... the ultimate goal is to have one YUMI instead of YUMI and additional USB drives for System Repair for Windows 7

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Old 05-19-2016, 10:56 PM   #14
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Well ... maybe my ISO files are not valid?
I downloaded Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool and expected to make my ISO bootable but when I selected it I've got error:
'The selected file is not a valid ISO file. Please select a valid ISO file and try again'
As I mentioned before I created that ISO myself from downloaded files I've got when 'Create System Repair CD' from my PC.
It looks that I'm stuck to get that ISO ..
 
Old 05-20-2016, 04:02 AM   #15
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Well I'm all set with 1. i.e. thanks to your advice I was able to install and run SystemRescueCD
I still failed to remove System Repair CD even using Windows app hence I simply reformatted and re-installed YUMI and I'm all set with those boots as well.
The last thing that left unresolved is to install Windows 7 System Repair CD. I followed your instructions, used Unlisted ISO (with GRUB) and was able to install it (note: I downloaded ISO from Web, I also tried to create my own ISO from the files I burned from Windows). In any case I was able to start it from YUMI, got menu - GRUM Bootable ISOs and Windows 7 -> Boot Windows 7 32-bit Repair Disc.iso BUT it failed to boot with the error:

find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /multiboot/ISOS/Windows 7 32-bit Repair Disc.iso
Error 15: File not found

Any clue why it failed to start
Well ... the ultimate goal is to have one YUMI instead of YUMI and additional USB drives for System Repair for Windows 7
Try renaming the ISO before installing it so that it has no spaces in the name (use underscores or hyphens instead).
 
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