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Old 03-16-2004, 03:16 PM   #1
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X using 146mb of ram


hello all knowledgeable linux ppl out there.. my pal & me @ work here installed redhat 9 on our desktops. i'm running a 1.8ghz with 256 mb of ram & he is running a 1ghz with 384mb of ram..

i've noticed that his shit works a lot faster than mine.. he clicks a program, such as the firebox by mozilla. & mine will take anywhere from 20-50 seconds to load..

checked the "task manager" & my X process is using 150mb of ram. & his is only using about 50mb of ram..

we are both using newly compiled versions of the latest kernal with kde.. any one got any ideas.. thanks a million


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Old 03-16-2004, 03:51 PM   #2
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150MB is way too much for X. Even 50MB is too much. In mu case, X uses 7.5% of memory (which is 512MB), so less than 50MB. Which graphic card do you have and how is it configured?
 
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Can you post the output of
Code:
 top -b -n 1 | sort -g -k 10,10
from that machine please? :)


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Old 03-17-2004, 08:25 AM   #4
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hey, thanks a bunch for your replys, i hope this helps. cuz it dont mean a bunch to me! hehe
& i have an onboard AGP video card. intel 845g/gl . its standard config with the given redhat driver..


top -b -n 1 | sort -g -k 10,10



163396k actv, 14648k in_d, 4116k in_c
76 processes: 75 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 0.5% user 0.1% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 99.3% idle
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
Swap: 522104k av, 16176k used, 505928k free 109944k cached
10 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kupdated
11 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mdrecoveryd
17 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 scsi_eh_0
1 root 15 0 112 80 56 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 0 init
20 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd
3504 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
3 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kapmd
4093 root 15 0 320 148 40 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 dhclient
4133 root 15 0 196 160 116 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 syslogd
4137 root 15 0 156 144 100 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 klogd
4155 rpc 18 0 76 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 portmap
4174 rpcuser 25 0 88 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 rpc.statd
4241 root 24 0 52 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 apmd
4278 root 25 0 236 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 sshd
4292 root 21 0 148 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 xinetd
4330 root 15 0 96 60 40 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 gpm
4340 root 15 0 152 132 88 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 crond
4429 daemon 15 0 168 152 108 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 atd
4441 root 15 0 92 88 40 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 rhnsd
4445 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4446 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4447 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4448 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4449 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4450 root 23 0 56 4 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mingetty
4 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 ksoftirqd_CPU
5775 root 15 0 288 48 12 S 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 dhclient
5 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kswapd
6 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kscand/DMA
78 root 24 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 khubd
7 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kscand/Normal
8 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kscand/HighMe
9 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 bdflush
08:18:51 up 16:20, 3 users, load average: 0.27, 0.18, 0.08
4312 root 15 0 916 488 252 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 0 sendmail
4321 smmsp 15 0 732 296 200 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 0 sendmail
4451 root 15 0 892 332 260 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 0 gdm-binary
7387 root 15 0 296 296 248 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 0 kwrapper
7402 root 15 0 500 500 436 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 0 pam_timestamp
4351 root 15 0 912 564 348 S 0.0 0.2 0:01 0 cupsd
6716 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
6717 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
6718 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
6719 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
6720 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
6721 root 15 0 728 612 468 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 ipp
7464 root 24 0 632 632 564 S 0.0 0.2 0:00 0 sort
7319 root 15 0 940 940 752 S 0.0 0.3 0:00 0 ssh-agent
4411 xfs 16 0 2852 1192 328 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 0 xfs
7261 root 19 0 1048 1048 908 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 0 startkde
7409 root 23 0 1124 1124 936 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 0 run-mozilla.s
7463 root 22 0 1080 1080 856 R 0.0 0.4 0:00 0 top
7436 root 22 0 1412 1412 1112 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 0 bash
7408 root 15 0 2320 1928 1272 S 0.0 0.7 0:00 0 rdesktop
7400 root 15 0 2628 2444 1900 S 0.0 0.9 0:00 0 pam-panel-ico
7425 root 15 0 2688 2688 1840 S 0.0 1.0 0:00 0 gconfd-2
7363 root 15 0 3176 3176 2216 S 0.0 1.2 0:00 0 kdeinit
7366 root 15 0 3180 3180 2192 S 0.0 1.2 0:00 0 kdeinit
7397 root 15 0 3328 3316 2320 S 0.0 1.3 0:00 0 kdeinit
7382 root 18446744073709551565 0 3740 3656 2428 S 0.0 1.4 0:01
7371 root 15 0 4916 4060 2936 S 0.0 1.5 0:00 0 kdeinit
7369 root 15 0 4292 4264 3160 S 0.0 1.6 0:00 0 kdeinit
7389 root 15 0 4812 4812 2868 S 0.0 1.8 0:00 0 kdeinit
7399 root 15 0 5136 4688 3004 S 0.0 1.8 0:00 0 kdeinit
7386 root 15 0 5780 5440 3152 S 0.0 2.1 0:00 0 kdeinit
7407 root 15 0 6024 5880 4120 S 0.0 2.3 0:00 0 kalarmd
7394 root 15 0 6712 6560 4348 S 0.0 2.5 0:00 0 kdeinit
7401 root 15 0 7852 7544 5352 S 0.0 2.9 0:00 0 gaim
7404 root 15 0 8116 7988 5404 S 0.0 3.1 0:00 0 kdeinit
7390 root 15 0 9200 9152 6868 S 0.0 3.5 0:00 0 kdeinit
7396 root 15 0 9172 9068 6352 S 0.0 3.5 0:01 0 kdeinit
7434 root 20 0 10124 9.9M 8296 S 0.0 3.9 0:00 0 kdesu
7435 root 19 0 13088 12M 10632 S 0.0 5.1 0:00 0 konsole
6747 root 15 0 149M 18M 980 S 0.0 7.6 0:12 0 X
7421 root 15 0 24876 24M 14028 S 0.0 9.7 0:11 0 firefox-bin
Mem: 254236k av, 250188k used, 4048k free, 0k shrd, 49276k buff

Last edited by devindude; 03-17-2004 at 10:55 AM.
 
Old 03-17-2004, 01:07 PM   #5
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any ideas linux kingz???
 
Old 03-17-2004, 02:39 PM   #6
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That's pretty weird, all right...

Can you please post

/var/log/XFree86.0.log

as well?

Hint: use the tags for [ CODE ] and [ /CODE ]
(without the spaces between [, word and ]) to
make formatting more readable ...


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Old 03-17-2004, 04:48 PM   #7
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Below is mine.
Code:
58 processes: 55 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 11.1% user,  4.8% system, 81.1% nice,  2.9% idle
  PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
Swap: 5027984K av,       0K used, 5027984K free                  135960K cached
   13 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 pagebuf_daemon
 1905 root       9   0   484  484   408 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 saslauthd
    1 root       8   0   476  476   412 S     0.0  0.0   0:04 init
 2110 root       9   0   292  292   240 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 vmnet-bridge
 2130 root       9   0   468  468   408 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 vmnet-natd
  237 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 khubd
 2580 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2581 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2582 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2583 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2586 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2587 root       9   0   412  412   356 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 mingetty
 2642 root       9   0   292  292   240 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 vmnet-netifup
 2762 jason      9   0   312  312   256 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 kwrapper
 2842 root      19  19  1252 1252  1036 S N   0.0  0.2   0:00 sshd
    2 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 keventd
    3 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 kapmd
  403 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 kjournald
  426 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 kreiserfsd
    4 root      19  19     0    0     0 SWN   0.0  0.0   0:00 ksoftirqd_CPU0
    5 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 kswapd
    6 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 bdflush
    7 root       9   0     0    0     0 SW    0.0  0.0   0:00 kupdated
    8 root      -1 -20     0    0     0 SW<   0.0  0.0   0:00 mdrecoveryd
  933 root       9   0   500  500   432 S     0.0  0.0   0:00 gpm
  150 root       9   0   964  964   764 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 devfsd
15614 jason     11   0  1004 1004   792 R     1.9  0.1   0:00 top
15615 jason      9   0   584  584   500 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 sort
 1920 root       9   0   996  996   816 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 xinetd
 1975 jason      9   0   608  608   528 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 xinit
 2070 root       8   0   620  620   532 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 crond
 2663 root       9   0   660  660   532 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 vmnet-dhcpd
  911 root       9   0   580  580   472 S     0.0  0.1   0:00 syslogd
15572 jason      9   0  1356 1356  1060 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 rxvt.bin
 1876 root       9   0  1396 1396  1052 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 prefdm
 1890 root       9   0  1096 1096   900 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 autologin
 1962 jason      9   0  1240 1240   952 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 startx
 2268 jason      9   0  1240 1240   948 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 startkde
 2782 jason      9   0  1348 1348  1052 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 rxvt.bin
  919 root       9   0  1240 1240   408 S     0.0  0.2   0:00 klogd
15578 jason      9   0  1624 1624  1164 S     0.0  0.3   0:00 bash
 2494 root       9   0  1748 1744  1128 S     0.0  0.3   0:00 nmbd
 2484 root       9   0  2212 2212  1484 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 smbd
 1146 xfs        9   0  5036 5036   904 S     0.0  0.9   0:00 xfs
  2:50pm  up  1:58,  0 users,  load average: 1.11, 1.08, 1.08
 2739 jason      9   0 12088  11M 11900 S     0.0  2.3   0:00 kdeinit
 2742 jason      9   0 12256  11M 12012 S     0.0  2.3   0:00 kdeinit
 2745 jason      9   0 13348  13M 12984 S     0.0  2.5   0:00 kdeinit
 2747 jason      9   0 14428  14M 13548 S     0.0  2.7   0:00 kdeinit
 2757 jason      9   0 14128  13M 13348 S     0.0  2.7   0:00 kdeinit
 2764 jason      9   0 14324  13M 13484 S     0.0  2.7   0:00 kdeinit
 2772 jason      9   0 15420  15M 14324 S     0.0  2.9   0:00 kdeinit
 2761 jason      8   0 16484  16M 15080 S     0.0  3.1   0:00 kdeinit
 2765 jason      9   0 16096  15M 14916 S     0.0  3.1   0:01 kdeinit
 2770 jason      9   0 17844  17M 16164 S     0.0  3.4   0:02 kdeinit
 2767 jason      9   0 20524  20M 18092 R     0.0  3.9   0:03 kdeinit
 1976 root       9   0  277M  21M  6736 S     0.0  4.2  12:19 X
 9178 jason      9   0 36108  35M  9752 S     0.0  6.9   1:54 opera
 2788 jason     20  19 15920  15M   852 R N  97.9  3.0  73:51 setiathome
Mem:   516276K av,  289432K used,  226844K free,       0K shrd,   33536K buff
My system is an AMD Athlon 'Classic' 700 MHz with 512 MB of KingMax memory. This system is very fast for VMware and many games. I'm using just a normal IDE hard drive. I just showing you that it doesn't matter how much memory X is taking up because memory in LINUX is used differently than Windows. The reason why programs is taking a lot of time to load is because the hard drive puts a huge bottleneck. The speed of hard drives have not change in a few decades but the technology that goes inside them change a whole lot. If do not mind shucking a lot of money for Western Digital Raptor SATA hard drive, you will get consider amount of performance gain.

To gain more performance, you can place /usr in front of the hard drive. Tweak kernel settings to handle disk I/O operations much faster. Put swap partitions on many SCSI hard drives and set each partition to the same priority value. Use different filesystems for certain directories like ReiserFS or XFS. Find programs that have libraries bultin instead as shared. Programs that depend on libraries have to have the libraries loaded into memory first than the program can start. If the program is already has the library compiled with in it, it will load up much faster.

I also have a Pentium II 400 MHz with 256 MB of SDRAM. It also is fast, but I put /usr near the front of the hard drive and set the resolution and depth to some where at 800 X 600 at 16 bits.

I think with the chipset that you have, you have a P4 1.8 GHz. If your friend has an Athlon 1 GHz or P3 1 GHz. Your friend's computer will be much faster than your system even though you have P4 1.8 GHz system. P4 in those speeds are not fast enough to load their pipelines, the 845 chipsets memory bandwidth is too limited, and they were using the P3 core that did not do very good for the P4. When the core called Northwood, dual DDR channel memory and faster P4 processors, the P4 showd what it can do. The P4 is still limited with all these advancements. To make P4 work what they are supposed to do, the FSB have to be near 1 GHz or more and the cache have to be much larger to fill the the long and wide pipelines with data.

BTW, I'm using Mandrake 9.0 with the stock kernel version.
 
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I think this is yet another case of misunderstanding the reporting of memory usage. There is memory usage being reported twice, once for certain apps, then again for X. 150 megs is not exactly low, but that's what you get for using KDE. As for speed, "true" results can be shown from benchmarks but there are a lot of apparent (as well as "true") speed gains you get from using a 2.6 series kernel with kernel preemption.
 
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It's rather good. Load average very low, not too many processes. The onnly thing is that it started using swap (what slows things down). Do you need sendmail, xintetd and sshd runing?
 
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Quote:
Originally posted by snacky
I think this is yet another case of misunderstanding the reporting of memory usage. There is memory usage being reported twice, once for certain apps, then again for X. 150 megs is not exactly low, but that's what you get for using KDE. As for speed, "true" results can be shown from benchmarks but there are a lot of apparent (as well as "true") speed gains you get from using a 2.6 series kernel with kernel preemption.
Ummm .... the thing is that on my machine, for example,
X pretty much always allocates the same amount of ram...
it's certainly not accumulating! Look at those 3 snapshots
Code:
  189 postgres   9   0  2104 2104  2024 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 postmaster
 3716 root       9   0  2484 2480  1840 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 xterm
  254 root       9   0  2804 2800  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  283 root       9   0  2620 2616  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 3030 root       9   0  2864 2860  1848 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 6637 root       9   0  2916 2912  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  243 tink      12   0  3428 3428  2340 S     0.9  0.6   5:31 lavaps
  184 root       9   0  4308 4308   728 S     0.0  0.8   0:00 xfs
  240 tink       9   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   1:02 gkrellm
  268 tink       8   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   0:00 gkrellm
 8012 tink       9   0  8100 8096  7876 S     0.0  1.5   0:00 kdeinit
 8015 tink       9   0  8404 8400  8096 S     0.0  1.6   0:00 kdeinit
 8046 tink       8   0  8576 8572  8276 S     0.0  1.6   0:00 kdeinit
 8018 tink       9   0  8860 8852  8464 S     0.0  1.7   0:00 kdeinit
 8020 tink       8   0 35836  11M  9740 S     0.0  2.3   0:00 kdeinit
 8028 tink       9   0 37588  13M 11000 S     0.0  2.6   0:00 kdeinit
 8010 tink      12   0 44052  19M 14924 S     0.0  3.9   0:00 kmail
  206 root      17   0 63176  35M  3236 S     1.9  6.9  24:19 X
  437 tink       9   0 56964  54M 16508 S     0.0 10.8   6:55 mozilla-bin
  439 tink       8   0 56964  54M 16508 S     0.0 10.8   0:00 mozilla-bin
  440 tink       9   0 56964  54M 16508 S     0.0 10.8   0:03 mozilla-bin
  441 tink       9   0 56964  54M 16508 S     0.0 10.8   0:01 mozilla-bin

  189 postgres   9   0  2104 2104  2024 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 postmaster
 3716 root       9   0  2484 2480  1840 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 xterm
  254 root       9   0  2836 2832  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  283 root       9   0  2620 2616  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 3030 root       9   0  2864 2860  1848 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 6637 root       9   0  2916 2912  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  243 tink      19   0  3428 3428  2340 S     0.9  0.6   5:36 lavaps
  184 root       9   0  4308 4308   728 S     0.0  0.8   0:00 xfs
  240 tink       9   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   1:03 gkrellm
  268 tink       0   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   0:00 gkrellm
  206 root      16   0 58120  30M  1964 R     0.9  5.9  24:27 X

  189 postgres   9   0  2104 2104  2024 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 postmaster
 3716 root       9   0  2484 2480  1840 S     0.0  0.4   0:00 xterm
  254 root       9   0  2856 2852  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  283 root       9   0  2620 2616  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 3030 root       9   0  2864 2860  1848 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
 6637 root       9   0  2916 2912  1852 S     0.0  0.5   0:00 xterm
  243 tink      10   0  3428 3428  2340 S     0.0  0.6   5:42 lavaps
  184 root       9   0  4308 4308   728 S     0.0  0.8   0:00 xfs
  240 tink      10   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   1:04 gkrellm
  268 tink       8   0  6116 6116  3896 S     0.0  1.1   0:00 gkrellm
 8144 tink       9   0  8452 8448  3776 S     0.0  1.6   0:00 emacs
  206 root      19   0 58120  30M  1964 S     1.9  5.9  24:39 X
Mozilla and KDE together are fatter than X.


Cheers,
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Old 03-22-2004, 02:50 PM   #11
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hey, thanks a shitload ELECTRO. that was a p1mp ass explanation.. even dude at work here was awwed at your answer.. i understand wat ur sayin & it makes sense for sure...

& to tink. that file was huuuuuge, no way would u want me ot paste that..

so i'm thinkin MORE ram is the answer to my problems since my swap space is being taken already... anyone disagree??


thanks a shitload ery1
 
  


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