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Old 09-06-2009, 10:22 PM   #1
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WINE wtf?


It doesn't seem to matter what I use it on, wine doesn't work!!! There is NO activity (via right-clicking the .exe and opening with wine). I need to open a .exe from an iso (or DVD) but it won't even flinch! Please help... this is the absolute last thing I need to ditch windows!

I've heard I have to configure wine, but I've read other places that certain setup isn't required with the latest wine version... whats up? I am currently burning one of my games that I want to start right away but I want to beable to use isos soon, I don't have many cds left! Thanks a bunch guys!

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Old 09-06-2009, 10:54 PM   #2
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I need to open a .exe from an iso
i don't use wine ( haven't in 4 years ) BUT it would help if we new WHAT it is you are trying to run off a dvd/cd
is it a game or what ?

How did you install wine ?
i am assuming it is on Ubuntu -- but not sure ? so was it with app-get ? or from some other source ?

most MS windows programs WILL need to be installed with there windows installer through wine ( double click ?? or in the terminal )
 
Old 09-06-2009, 11:52 PM   #3
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i don't use wine ( haven't in 4 years ) BUT it would help if we new WHAT it is you are trying to run off a dvd/cd
is it a game or what ?

How did you install wine ?
i am assuming it is on Ubuntu -- but not sure ? so was it with app-get ? or from some other source ?

most MS windows programs WILL need to be installed with there windows installer through wine ( double click ?? or in the terminal )
I am trying to install games from backup iso images because I have lost most of my old install cds. I am using Ubuntu and got wine via synaptic repository.

I got one game to work (install I mean) through a DVD install but when I open it, the menu pops up (with the nice textures that ask if you want to play, quit, uninstall etc.) but when I hit play, the window only shows up briefly and disappears. Oi vey, I'm goin' ta bed for tonight... I can't handle this .

I'll leave you guys who know what you're doing to work on this little debacle . Thanks John and everyone else who responds after this .
 
Old 09-06-2009, 11:59 PM   #4
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Run "winecfg" to initially set up your .wine/ directory. Then try running "wineconsole", cd into the CD/DVD and run the setup program.
It it is a very old dos game, try dosemu instead. If you have a 64 bit CPU you may have mixed results with some older games.

For ISO images, you could try mounting the iso using a loop device. The installer want a real CD however.

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Old 09-07-2009, 12:45 AM   #5
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Also look into DOSBox in the case of old games.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 12:58 AM   #6
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wine doesn't run everything even though it would be nice.
A little trick I've learned is to open the cd or dvd so you can see the contents, select all, copy and drop the copies into a folder you have created on your desktop.
Find the .exe in the folder and open it with wine.
Usually it will install.
Still no promise as to whether or not wine will run the program.
If nothing else you can install virtualbox, then install windows to virtualbox and play your games from there.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 01:44 PM   #7
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Run "winecfg" to initially set up your .wine/ directory. Then try running "wineconsole", cd into the CD/DVD and run the setup program.
It it is a very old dos game, try dosemu instead. If you have a 64 bit CPU you may have mixed results with some older games.

For ISO images, you could try mounting the iso using a loop device. The installer want a real CD however.
I am trying to run Oblivion, its fairly new actually (in terms of hardware requirements) and I already installed this game, it just won't (stay) open.

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wine doesn't run everything even though it would be nice.
A little trick I've learned is to open the cd or dvd so you can see the contents, select all, copy and drop the copies into a folder you have created on your desktop.
Find the .exe in the folder and open it with wine.
Usually it will install.
Still no promise as to whether or not wine will run the program.
If nothing else you can install virtualbox, then install windows to virtualbox and play your games from there.
Oi, won't that take another 9GB of space from my HDD? What are some other (free) programs for running games in Linux? Can I use Virtual Box to just run from my already installed Windows files?

Most importantly, could the hardware requirements be too extreme for my system and could that shut the game down before it even starts?

I tried running a less advanced game a while back that was installed through windows and the same thing happened. The game popped up momentarily and closed again... Any thoughts?

EDIT: I read up on WineDB about Oblivion and it says to delete some videos on the 1.0 install (which I have) also, what is the latest version of wine? I know I have that but I don't know what "that" is

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Old 09-07-2009, 01:55 PM   #8
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Commercial versions

There are some commercial (i.e. expensive) versions of WINE for games, I think one of them actually hosts www.winehq.org.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 02:08 PM   #9
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Wine I think is about the best free program out there.
You might check out Cedega even though it's a pay program.
I think it's fairly inexpensive.
I've ran into some instances where I've installed things to wine, they would open and then close right back up.
I've also had this happen with things not installed to wine and it came back to dependencies not being installed.
In the case of wine, it's probably missing dll's.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 03:15 PM   #10
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Wine I think is about the best free program out there.
You might check out Cedega even though it's a pay program.
I think it's fairly inexpensive.
I've ran into some instances where I've installed things to wine, they would open and then close right back up.
I've also had this happen with things not installed to wine and it came back to dependencies not being installed.
In the case of wine, it's probably missing dll's.
How do I fix 'em? What about PlayOnLinux?
 
Old 09-07-2009, 03:26 PM   #11
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I never used play on linux so I wouldn't know.
As for "fixing" the dll's, you'd have to figure out which dll's are missing and replace them from a legally running windows system.
You simply copy them to a usb stick and drop them in the system 32 folder in wine.
Every single dll I've tried from online was corrupt, hence, get one you know is already working.
How to figure out if it is missing dll's or not is to do what you're doing now, google and ask questions.
If the game can be made to run in wine, someone somewhere has.
You said someone in winehq got the game to work.
You might have a broken wine yourself.
Try uninstalling it, delete the wine folder in /home and reinstall it.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 03:55 PM   #12
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I never used play on linux so I wouldn't know.
As for "fixing" the dll's, you'd have to figure out which dll's are missing and replace them from a legally running windows system.
You simply copy them to a usb stick and drop them in the system 32 folder in wine.
Every single dll I've tried from online was corrupt, hence, get one you know is already working.
How to figure out if it is missing dll's or not is to do what you're doing now, google and ask questions.
If the game can be made to run in wine, someone somewhere has.
You said someone in winehq got the game to work.
You might have a broken wine yourself.
Try uninstalling it, delete the wine folder in /home and reinstall it.
I have a functioning (legal) copy of windows, so could I just copy my whole sys32 folder over?

EDIT: I did just that and no cigar... I'm gonna uninstall and reinstall wine now, also I read that I should deisable my HDR for Oblivion to work, how do I do that?

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Old 09-07-2009, 05:31 PM   #13
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I am trying to run Oblivion, its fairly new actually (in terms of hardware requirements) and I already installed this game, it just won't (stay) open.
Oblivion has worked for me decently, there were some minor problems with the map I think. I didn't play for long, I am not much of a gamer.

I can't guarantee that your backups will work, I have no way to know what their state is. Note that the wine support for anticopy is almost null, so you will need to circumvent that to be able to play, even if you have the original cd in the tray, this is true most times.

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Most importantly, could the hardware requirements be too extreme for my system and could that shut the game down before it even starts?
Oblivion ran here on a geforce 6200 with a sempron 3000+ cpu, it's old hardware actually so it didn't shine, but it ran for sure.

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I tried running a less advanced game a while back that was installed through windows and the same thing happened. The game popped up momentarily and closed again... Any thoughts?
Check that 3d acceleration is working, the output of "glxinfo|head" would be a start.

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EDIT: I read up on WineDB about Oblivion and it says to delete some videos on the 1.0 install (which I have) also, what is the latest version of wine? I know I have that but I don't know what "that" is
1.1.29 today. It's as easy as to go into winehq.org and check the top right corner, for the next time. Most programs also (including wine) will output the version details when using -v or --version

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wine-1.1.29
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There are some commercial (i.e. expensive) versions of WINE for games, I think one of them actually hosts www.winehq.org.
That's the home of the regular LGPL licensed wine (which is actually the only "wine", since the rest of associated projects have different names, like reactos, crossover or cedega -which was winex in the past).

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Wine I think is about the best free program out there.
You might check out Cedega even though it's a pay program.
I think it's fairly inexpensive.
I've ran into some instances where I've installed things to wine, they would open and then close right back up.
I've also had this happen with things not installed to wine and it came back to dependencies not being installed.
In the case of wine, it's probably missing dll's.
That's why it's important to check winehq and read the comments and experiences of other users there. Most times it's just a matter of dropping the dll on the correct place, or running the exe file from the same directory where it lives from a console. I NEVER rely on click interfaces when it comes to using wine. I am more comfortable with a keyboard under my fingers anyway.

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How do I fix 'em? What about PlayOnLinux?
Playonlinux is just a frontend (a nice interface) for wine, so, everything it can do is everything wine can do, no more, no less. Just with nice dialogs.

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I have a functioning (legal) copy of windows, so could I just copy my whole sys32 folder over?
Never! Wine implements most of the Windows api, and a big part of the directx api (depending on versions though). You should only use native dlls when there's a need to do so. Otherwise you will be probably doing more harm than anything else.

And by the way, while we are on this topic, I advice you to remember to NEVER EVER mount your Windows partition at the wine prefix (usually ~/.wine/drive_c or something similar) because that will completely trash your Windows installation.

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EDIT: I did just that and no cigar... I'm gonna uninstall and reinstall wine now, also I read that I should deisable my HDR for Oblivion to work, how do I do that?
I know nothing about HDR. By the way, installing/reinstalling wine will do you no good. This is not Windows.

Your user can't write in the wine system directories, so your installation will be as virgin as new ALWAYS. If you want to undo your user configuration related to wine just delete ~/.wine and all its contents. That will also remove anything you installed using wine unless you installed it explicitly elsewhere.

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Old 09-07-2009, 05:53 PM   #14
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I know nothing about HDR either.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 11:42 PM   #15
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WOW guys thanks!

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Oblivion has worked for me decently, there were some minor problems with the map I think. I didn't play for long, I am not much of a gamer.
Cool, do you know if it was with the latest wine? I tried to use an earlier version but I couldn't because of all these other things I didn't have installed (freetype, bison, flex etc.)

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I can't guarantee that your backups will work, I have no way to know what their state is. Note that the wine support for anticopy is almost null, so you will need to circumvent that to be able to play, even if you have the original cd in the tray, this is true most times.
Circumvent?

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Check that 3d acceleration is working, the output of "glxinfo|head" would be a start.
How?

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It's as easy as to go into winehq.org and check the top right corner, for the next time. Most programs also (including wine) will output the version details when using -v or --version
I am so blind... I was on that website a second time today and realized just how many times it is listed! (A lot for those of you who are guessing)

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Never! Wine implements most of the Windows api, and a big part of the directx api (depending on versions though). You should only use native dlls when there's a need to do so. Otherwise you will be probably doing more harm than anything else.
OOPS!

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And by the way, while we are on this topic, I advice you to remember to NEVER EVER mount your Windows partition at the wine prefix (usually ~/.wine/drive_c or something similar) because that will completely trash your Windows installation.
Yes I read that before, I don't think I can do that accidentally because I know so little.

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I know nothing about HDR. By the way, installing/reinstalling wine will do you no good. This is not Windows.
I am still not used to the whole "My OS doesn't suck" concept while I'm on Linux, after this little catastrophe I think that feeling will really kick in.

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Your user can't write in the wine system directories, so your installation will be as virgin as new ALWAYS. If you want to undo your user configuration related to wine just delete ~/.wine and all its contents. That will also remove anything you installed using wine unless you installed it explicitly elsewhere.
See above statement (include more enthusiasm)


Also, I reinstalled wine anywhoo after I copied over my whole sys32 folder, I figured I would have to... it works like it did before, or - in other words - it doesn't . I'm gonna research those things you said and pray and maybe if I'm lucky the Linux gods will smile upon me (for once).

I feel like this is all a big test, everytime I give linux another chance, I can't figure something else out, eh... this is the last thing I need to be par with windows (actually above par, Compiz Fusion brought me to par) THANKS GUYS REALLY, DON'T MIND THE CAPS !
 
  


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