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Old 11-07-2002, 05:42 PM   #1
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Angry WinBlows 'snapier' than KDE or GNOME?


Dosier:

Abit KG7, 1.4G Athlon, 512MB DDR, GF2 MX and others
Maxtor 80GB and IBM 40GB
Using BootIt NG as boot manager
AT&T cable modem, netgear GW/Router

I've installed madrake 8.2 and redhat 8 with similar results. EXTRODINARY long boot times. Click a program to run and WAIT 30-60 seconds for it to appear.

I've heard that gnome or kde are resource hogs. I can't except that, when I want to switch but windows is faster in these areas.

I've heard that network/ethernet/IP settings need to be tweaked.

I've heard . . . I've heard . . .

Is there anybody who KNOWS what I am talking about first hand? Anybody that can ask me the RIGHT questions?

Thank you for your time. I'm willing to learn!!!
 
Old 11-07-2002, 05:56 PM   #2
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1.4GHz processor and 512MB RAM is enough for KDE and GNOME...They shoud work smootly... There must be other problems. First thing: go to nvidia web site and install their drivers. There's a documentation file which says what to do and how to install. In short, you need to files: NVIDIA_kernel and NVIDIA_GLX (you can download the RPM format, make sure you download for the right version of Mandrake or Redhat, the one you use). Then you need to install the kernel one first (rpm -i packagename) and then the GLX one. When they're installed, open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and modify it as NVIDIA document say (it's easy) and test if it works. Look if it helps. If not, run
ps aux
and
uptime
and poste their results here.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 06:20 PM   #3
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duh! never thought to update video drivers. I messed with network/host settings thinking my host names or routes were messed up. I fooled with hdparm stuff thinking my HD were bogging down the system. I'll give the VDrv's a shot and post the info if it doesn't work!

thanx!
 
Old 11-07-2002, 06:42 PM   #4
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Nobody would use Gnome or KDE if they were that slow. It's not like that on my system.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 06:55 PM   #5
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well they'll always be slow compared to blackbox et al.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 07:31 PM   #6
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There could be a lot of programs running in the background that you don't use. This is due to the flexability of linux, and it's ability to pretty much anything you want.

What installation options did you choose? Did you pick "everything"?

do a "ps -A" and see what is going on back there ( and post it so people can help you get rid of some of it.... if you want to put the output of it into a file, do this "ps -A > ps.txt")

fixing this will also lower your boot-up time. You won't need all of those daemons and extra programs to start up.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 08:12 PM   #7
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Originally posted by adam_boz
There could be a lot of programs running in the background that you don't use. This is due to the flexability of linux, and it's ability to pretty much anything you want.

What installation options did you choose? Did you pick "everything"?

do a "ps -A" and see what is going on back there ( and post it so people can help you get rid of some of it.... if you want to put the output of it into a file, do this "ps -A > ps.txt")

fixing this will also lower your boot-up time. You won't need all of those daemons and extra programs to start up.
The reason why some programs open slower in Linux than in Windows is becuase linux doesnt always have the windows running in the background waiting to be used. Windows does. If you look in your task manager in Windows you will see explorer.exe always running.
I find the same thing, some windows in linux open slower than in Wwindows, but I laso find that once they are open they run faster in linux. IF all apps in linux used the same windows as the defualt an were preloaded it would be just as fast to open first time.

Last edited by ThorsHammer; 11-07-2002 at 08:13 PM.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 08:35 PM   #8
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that may be, but the average windows doesn't do as much as linux, so if all of the programs are running in the background, linux will have much more running.... probably why they don't implement what you are talking about, how are the deveopers supposed to know what the user is going to want to pop up fast and what they won't mind having to pull off the hard drive when they start it?

To make my previous point more clear, here's an example of when using "ps -A" to find and remove background jobs sped up my system:

for the brief period of time that I was running redhat, every 5 minutes or so the disk usage would go way up and the applications would take forever to start. I found out that "updatedb" was running as a cron job for some lame reason, which really really slowed down the system.

So even though a program like mozilla isn't running in the background all the time, it still shouldn't take 30 seconds to load, if it does, then you need to slim down what IS running in the background.
 
Old 11-07-2002, 09:00 PM   #9
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I don't see a kernel driver for redhat 8. Is it ok to install the :

RedHat 7.3 updated to 2.4.18-10 UP Athlon Architecture NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-3123.rh73up_2.4.18_10.athlon.rpm

?????
 
Old 11-07-2002, 09:24 PM   #10
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While waiting for my kernel question, here is post 1 of 2 for
ps auz
sorry for the length... tanx!

[root@scenegull root]# ps aux
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
root 1 1.2 0.0 1336 476 ? S 21:07 0:04 init
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [keventd]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [kapmd]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SWN 21:07 0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [kswapd]
root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [bdflush]
root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [kupdated]
root 8 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [mdrecoveryd]
root 14 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:07 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root 17 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [knodemgrd]
root 19 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [scsi_eh_1]
root 22 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [kjournald]
root 78 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [khubd]
root 181 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [kjournald]
root 338 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [usb-storage-0]
root 339 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:08 0:00 [scsi_eh_2]
root 541 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 21:09 0:00 [eth0]
root 594 0.0 0.2 2056 1044 ? S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -1
root 643 0.0 0.1 1400 540 ? S 21:09 0:00 syslogd -m 0
root 647 0.0 0.0 1336 428 ? S 21:09 0:00 klogd -x
rpc 664 0.0 0.1 1484 532 ? S 21:09 0:00 portmap
rpcuser 683 0.0 0.1 1748 820 ? S 21:09 0:00 rpc.statd
root 764 0.0 0.0 1328 472 ? S 21:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/apmd -p
root 802 0.0 0.2 3276 1464 ? S 21:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 816 0.0 0.1 2088 892 ? S 21:09 0:00 xinetd -stayalive
ntp 832 0.0 0.3 1916 1908 ? SL 21:09 0:00 ntpd -U ntp
lp 846 0.0 0.2 4564 1192 ? S 21:09 0:00 lpd Waiting
root 856 0.0 0.0 1372 432 ? S 21:09 0:00 gpm -t imps2 -m /
root 865 0.0 0.1 1516 612 ? S 21:09 0:00 crond
 
Old 11-07-2002, 09:25 PM   #11
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While waiting for my kernel question, here is post 2 of 2 for
ps auz
sorry for the length... tanx!

xfs 896 0.0 0.6 4672 3420 ? S 21:09 0:00 xfs -droppriv -da
root 905 0.0 0.1 1364 576 ? SN 21:09 0:00 anacron -s
daemon 914 0.0 0.1 1368 520 ? S 21:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd
root 927 0.0 0.1 3108 536 ? S 21:09 0:00 rhnsd --interval
root 931 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty1 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 932 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty2 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 933 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty3 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 934 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty4 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 935 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty5 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 936 0.0 0.0 1316 404 tty6 S 21:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt
root 937 0.0 0.5 12752 2936 ? S 21:09 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm-bina
root 982 0.0 0.6 13472 3464 ? S 21:09 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm-bina
root 983 1.2 2.2 96296 11676 ? S< 21:09 0:02 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
root 992 0.1 1.6 16480 8372 ? S 21:10 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-se
root 1049 0.0 0.1 2900 992 ? S 21:10 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agen
root 1060 0.1 0.9 8372 4904 ? S 21:10 0:00 /usr/libexec/gcon
root 1062 0.0 0.4 5936 2352 ? S 21:10 0:00 /usr/libexec/bono
root 1064 0.1 1.2 12048 6424 ? S 21:10 0:00 metacity --sm-sav
root 1066 0.2 1.3 16268 7144 ? S 21:10 0:00 gnome-settings-da
root 1068 0.0 0.2 2620 1272 ? S 21:10 0:00 fam
root 1073 0.0 0.0 1668 432 ? S 21:10 0:00 esd -terminate -n
root 1084 0.7 2.9 29896 15104 ? S 21:10 0:01 nautilus --sm-con
root 1086 0.4 2.1 18760 11084 ? S 21:10 0:00 gnome-panel --sm-
root 1088 0.0 0.7 10864 4104 ? S 21:10 0:00 /usr/bin/pam-pane
root 1090 1.9 3.2 25440 16700 ? S 21:10 0:03 /usr/bin/python /
root 1091 0.0 0.0 1364 476 ? S 21:10 0:00 /sbin/pam_timesta
root 1098 5.1 4.6 39296 24136 ? S 21:11 0:06 /usr/lib/mozilla-
root 1114 0.3 1.6 17328 8628 ? S 21:11 0:00 gnome-terminal
root 1123 0.0 0.2 4148 1460 pts/0 S 21:11 0:00 bash
root 1153 0.0 0.1 2600 684 pts/0 R 21:13 0:00 ps aux
 
Old 11-09-2002, 01:24 PM   #12
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OK. I did my job. Disregard about the video drivers. I searched forums and read and read and read...
Yeah, I'll give the old kernel compile nividia stuff a try myself.
Has anybody had a looksie at the ps -aux listing yet?

Many Tanks! (duck)
 
Old 11-10-2002, 02:34 PM   #13
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You've got really many things running. I wonder if you need: portmap, rpc.statd, apmd, sshd, ntpd, gpm, atd... They're useful, but not in every system. ere they choosen by you or by the installer?
 
Old 11-11-2002, 02:06 PM   #14
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I just chose typical desktop and the installer chose.

I got the sources for the Nvidia glx and kernel, searched this forum and sucessfuly got the driver installed. The graphics do seem pepier, but still the UI seems to be click and wait. I did some reading and it was suggested that it's because linux loads the program and libs when run and unloads them when quit. Unlike winblowse, which loads and keeps a lot of libs and dll's in memory. Any bases for this?

Again, a big, MEGA thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 11-11-2002, 02:17 PM   #15
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Yes for IE Windows does cache the browser in memory. I do not believe this to be the case for anything else.

Could you bring up a root shell and try running "hdparm -Tt /dev/hda" or if your harddrive is not hda then replace it with the appropriate value. If your harddrive is not using DMA then drive access will be a bit slow and may be contributing to the lack of responsiveness.
 
  


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