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Old 04-12-2006, 11:14 PM   #1
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WHy RPM-based distro's NOT use reiserFS format


As far as I know, none of them use reiserfs, only ext3 (or ext2). SUSE is the only exception.

I keep getting supperblock errors because of this on the partitions I install fedora core 5 or mandriva or even foxlinux.

I finally got to install FC5 using vesa option at boot, but when I booted into FC5 it gave me errors on another partition (that was not even ext3). It was my Ubuntu partition formated in resierfs. The rror was superblocks etc. and requested to reboot, and could nto proceed. I then installed Ubuntu in reiserfs in the same partition on which I had installed FC5 and all was fine.

What is going on and why no reiserfs format for rpm-based distro's?

I am obviously naive and do not understand the details. so please enlighten me.

Many thanks
 
Old 04-13-2006, 12:34 AM   #2
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Maybe them have some ideological reasons not to include it by default? Maybe it's easier to get kernel source rpm and rebuild it with reiserfs support (And all the other fancy options you'd like).
 
Old 04-13-2006, 12:39 AM   #3
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Some, like Redhat for example, test things to the max before they include them in or use them. This is because a lot of critical systems use Redhat. Then you have some that are based on Redhat, Mandrake or Mandriva or whatever it is called now, which run behind them.

I have read that reiserfs4 is coming too. That may help push reiserfs3 along a bit. Other than that, no clue. It happens when it happens. I haven't used any other distro since switching to Gentoo.

 
Old 04-13-2006, 12:47 AM   #4
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yah, som e distro are already shipping with the reiserfs4, can't remember which one though?
 
Old 04-13-2006, 08:39 AM   #5
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I have read in my original distro (Fediora FC 4) manual the discussion about filing systems. Each have their "good" and "bad" points. I agree with the authors: Paul Hudson, Andrew Hudson, Bill Ball, and Hoyt Duff that ext2/ext3 are slower accessing but more secure than rieser filing system (more forgiving of user faults). I have used Lindows and it's nice, but I like reliability such as Fedora. YumEx is a very friendly and easy to use "installer /updater" of my OS.

The distro manual is: "Red Hat - Fedora 4" unleashed pub SAMS
 
Old 04-13-2006, 08:58 AM   #6
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There are people who seem to think Reiser is the coolest fs ever made. And there are people who tell you it is a junk fs and should never be used. (I tend to be the second kind).
http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
 
Old 04-13-2006, 11:08 AM   #7
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Emerson

That is a very informative link. Thanks. I was not intending to bring a comparative analysis of the different filing systems. I was just interested in knowing why certain distro's (in this case mainly RPM based ones) choose not to have reiserfs as a choice in the formating section of the installation process. I guess, depending on the many issues users can experience when installing, I would guess, choosing the one that fits ones rquirments and compatability, would be my best choice. In my case, it is reiserfs, not ext3 (i have problems that do not allow me to use the distro at all> Now I am not saying that there may be a hdd problem in my case, it si just that reiserfs "agrees" with my configuration 100%.

Thanks,
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:54 PM   #8
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WHy RPM-based distro's NOT use reiserFS format
Your title is a bit wrong. The only rpm based distro that does not play nice with reiserfs is Redhat/Fedora (and derivatives). Suse defaults to reiserfs and Mandriva uses whichever you pick between ext3 and reiserfs. You can use Reiserfs with Redhat/Fedora by entering "linux reiserfs" at boot up. Reiserfs 3.x does not support access control lists (I think newer versions do), so it does not work properly with Selinux, so maybe thats why Redhat doesn't like it. Also the guy who maintains ext3 is a Redhat employee, so ext3 will always get more love. Personally I think reiserfs is good and I have had less problems with it when compared to ext3.

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Old 04-13-2006, 04:17 PM   #9
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redazz thanks as always. You may remember me struggling thru a number of rpm-based distro's and suffice it to say, this formatting issue just drove the nail in the coffin for me. I am itching to get my hands on SUSE 10.1 release. Until then I am off rpms.

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Old 04-13-2006, 07:40 PM   #10
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If you get tired of RPM based distros, you can always give Gentoo a try. It's source based and portage works very well. I started out using Mandrake but after the upgrade process and having issue after issue with dependancies, I tried something else. I have no regrets either. I have a LOT fewer problems with Gentoo and I even upgrade each night or every other night.

All that depends on what you are using it for. As long as you run the stable arch, you shouldn't have trouble. I wouldn't do it if I was launching a space craft though. It is not as hard to install as some say. It took me three tries to get it going but it took me a couple to get Mandrake to work and then it always did lock up on occasion. Never did figure that out.

Just a thought for you to consider.

 
Old 04-13-2006, 08:02 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by smiley_lauf
redazz thanks as always. You may remember me struggling thru a number of rpm-based distro's and suffice it to say, this formatting issue just drove the nail in the coffin for me. I am itching to get my hands on SUSE 10.1 release. Until then I am off rpms.
From the previous discussions it appeared to me that you were having hardware problems particularly with Anaconda. The packaging system you use shouldn't really matter as long as the hardware works fine with the distro of your choice. I have used rpm, deb, tgz and source based distros on my hardware and have never had major problems. The trick is to look at linux HCLs and find out what works with Linux and whether the hardware you intend to use has good driver support. Be a bit conservative when choosing hardware, its not always a good idea to get the latest and greatest.
 
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ReiserFS is unstable if you did not include noalign as the mount option. Also over time it becomes corrupted. Because of this I recommend using EXT3 or XFS. XFS is much faster than people think if custom format options are used.

Format options for XFS.
bsize=1024 or bsize=2048
agcount=16 or agcount=32
rextsize=4096 or rextsize=8192

For EXT3 make sure you include b-tree and set the block size to either 1024 or 2048. Including b-tree support in EXT3 decreases the time the utility find will take to search files or directories.

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Originally Posted by Emerson
There are people who seem to think Reiser is the coolest fs ever made. And there are people who tell you it is a junk fs and should never be used. (I tend to be the second kind).
I am also the second kind. I lost my files because of ReiserFS.


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Originally Posted by smiley_lauf
...it is just that reiserfs "agrees" with my configuration 100%.
That is load of bull.
 
  


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