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Old 12-17-2002, 11:40 AM   #31
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try uninstalling binutils and cpp and installing the ones in the CD of Redhat. Then install a version of gcc for i386. By default RH7.3 is compiled for a i386 and not 686. try downloading a gcc version compiled for a 386 or download the source and compile it.
 
Old 12-20-2002, 12:19 PM   #32
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Hum... death thread??? nobody posted nothing since my last post...
 
Old 12-20-2002, 02:33 PM   #33
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The problem with switching from windoze to linux is that people don't really think when using they used windoze and then are overwhelmed by problems in Linux. All you need to do is a little reasearching to learn about the kernel and the filesystem, and you will avoid a lot of dumb problems in linux
 
Old 12-21-2002, 10:28 AM   #34
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yes, but I think that people that preffer windoze to linux is because either they do are not intrested in learning or because they are lazy. I think linux is a complex OS, and hard to use at full capacity, But so is windows. I've been doing a little research and I've lerned that now, Compaq computers are sold with windows OR linux. It stops the monopoly of windows in Compaq. (I'm pretty happy about this...)

Anyway, I think that all they need is a good windows manager (Such as KDE) and that should do it. I have one of my desktops (I use all of them KDE) configured exactly like my windows desktop. And it is incredible, but it wors perfectly. Yes, it's true I have a powerfulll box, bur there are other WM, like fvwm95 or icewm or windows maker, those are all good window managers and it is very easy to configure them to function just like windows.

I believe that Linux has a great future... Just, is MY generation the one that would buy a box with linux... I think that those who worked withother unixes wouldn't buy a commercial linux INSTALLED on a box... Now, It is true that the average of linux users are above 20 y o, but that is because there are not really good STARTING documentation... I mean, not for a Sys Admin, just for using kde and using a few few commnads in the console (like man or info)... the rest is easy to learn. The basics of system administration are the hardest thing I've ever had to study.
 
Old 05-17-2003, 11:26 PM   #35
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I think that M$'s evil empire is falling down (like all empires eventually do) And the penguin will rise.


Man that's just not going to happen. They are on the ball now. More so then ever. But alas, I still continue to try and learn this archaic Linux stuff. I find it a nice change from time to time. No interest in the GUI side, just the command line side. Darn thing has its moments when its fun to work with.
 
Old 05-18-2003, 09:50 AM   #36
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I agree with itgl72,

As much as I dislike Microsoft, their here to stay for a very long time... But I think Linux is becoming more and more popular and more and more people(those who are not lazy)! are starting to see how powerful and flexible Linux is...
 
Old 05-18-2003, 10:24 AM   #37
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M$ isn't going anywhere fast. They had a hold on the market from pretty much the beginning. They released M$ basic, which provided people with a standard language, as opposed to the differences in the languages from the individual computer manufacturers. DOS came about as a direct result of that, so much so that lots of commands in early versions of DOS were in fact calls to BASIC, and you needed the ROM chip installed to be able to run DOS.
Then the rest as they say - is history (albiet recent history :/)
I'm a great Linux fan, and I use it all the time and loath using windows, but even I have to admit that it has a long way to go before it is on even footing with M$. Being comprised of all different projects, the system isn't as finely honed as it could be and we get problems like we did with the 4.3 release of XF86 not being compatible with the 2.4.20 kernel DRM drivers.
Distros like Mandrake and Suse are doing a good job, for the desktop, and RH is doing really well on the server side for enterprise stuff as well. MS has the hardware vendor support, and the software developers in its pocket. Thats the real problem.
 
Old 05-18-2003, 10:45 AM   #38
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M$ isn't going anywhere fast.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but I think your wrong. Linux scared MS, forcing them to look around and do things differently, do things better. I appreciate Linux being around as competition for MS. But I don't think an OS should be hard to use. Yes there are lazy people, but I don't think it should be that big a consideration to the point of where Linux is today. If you are not a command-line/coding type of person, it is challenging to start using. I hope Linux gets to the point where its GUI side is somewhat standard across the board, easier to use and more stable. Its the only slim chance it has at even competing for the desktops which is a long shot to begin with. But I like competition in industry and think us, the consumers will benefit from it. If MS is going to continue to be the primary OS then linux could be a driving force in that it will force MS to put out a better product upon every release, and bring their pricing lower.

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Old 05-18-2003, 01:48 PM   #39
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Hardware support is not, and probably never will be perfect until Linux is popular enough that all devices have either drivers or specs. You win some, you lose some with installation of Linux. Luckily these days we win more often than we lose.
 
Old 05-18-2003, 06:08 PM   #40
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I agree. it isn't going anywhare FAST. though... rome wasn't build in a day... nor it was destroyed... Human history has shown that no empire last forever. They might survive many years.... but they will eventually fall.

Linux... well... it IS rising... If we compare numbers (percentages) of the users from ten years ago and the users today... we will see a GREAT increase... I'm not saying that M$ is going to dissapear in the next 10 seconds (although I hope so) I'm just saying that more people is comming to linux.... either because they like the OS, or because the like Free Software...

Linux is not hard to use.... You can always get a nice GUI (as I did) such as GNOME or KDE... (or many more) and it's as easy as Win95... Yes.... it has some things that are a bit tricky, and yes, it's not perfect.... but it gives you a LOT more flexybility than windows... and there is WAY much more documentation for linux than for windows... and it's better written. (you don't see the 'windows documentation project', but the LINUX documentation project)...

Perheps somewhen the market will be well divided amonge M$, Linux and MAC...I can only hope so....

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Old 05-18-2003, 07:32 PM   #41
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.... either because they like the OS, or because the like Free Software...

hey, i get my software "free" no matter what OS i use


Also to add my thoughts. I don't hate MS, I just prefer Linux. Right now im on a MS box (testing my Samba configuration). I also use this same computer to play Counter-Strike. I do hate the following OSes though: win 95/98/Me/XP, but I think win2000 is ok, it's the only one i'll install on my computer...but right now there is just linux. I first started using linux because i was curious and I always want to learn the new stuff when it comes to computers. I had a copy of Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 and i it installed successfully, i just didnt have a bootdisk to get back to it after i shutdown my computer (lol, i re-installed when i wanted to use Linux...it was a dual boot machine). Now i use linux because I like to setup the many different servers, i do my programming in Linux, i really love the fact that it can act as a router for some reason (i love networking), and because It looks good on my resumen . On the other had, I use Windows because it allows me to test out my Linux servers and it plays counter-strike....that's about it besides when im away from home i dont come across many linux machines. I love linux, but i dont hate microsoft (just the oses mentioned above). And I must throw in that I'd never ever ever run a server on an MS machine, that whole code red/nimda thing is just rediculous, my apache server gets breakin attempts on a daily from other infected machines trying to break the faulty IIS crap.
 
Old 05-18-2003, 07:45 PM   #42
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I must say the GUI looks pretty good on the Mandrake 9.1 I setup on one of my AMD boxes. (I have RH 7.3 on a few INTEL boxes) Been playing with that a bit too just to kick it around.


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hey, i get my software "free" no matter what OS i use
I think win2000 is ok, it's the only one i'll install on my computer

Probably because XP is a bitch to bootleg, its better then 2000 in my opinion although I run both at the office and home. You can turn off the XP interface so it looks like 2000.

I agree on the 9x/ME OS's compared to 2k,2k3,XP they are pretty beat.




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And I must throw in that I'd never ever ever run a server on an MS machine
Apache as a web server definitely works well, my buddy and I host some HALF-LIFE servers on some of the extra IP Addresses from my office T-1 connection and it works perfectly for that job! And FREE! However let me just state, JUST AS IN LINUX you have to know what your doing to basically do just about ANYTHING, you also need to know what your doing in a MS Server environment. I have been administering NT/W2K IIS boxes since 2000 (the year, hehe) and once properly configured and locked down, they do their job quiet well. None of my machines were infected by that dreaded virus. Even the dumpy NT boxes.

You know in the end, no matter what your working with, you really got to know what your doing. Especially in an environment where things are volatile like the internet!
 
Old 05-18-2003, 09:38 PM   #43
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Well. speaking the truth... the only piece of software I've ever bought is Half Life... (so I can play C-S)... and I think an old copy of DOS... but that was when internet didn't exist. Today, my source of software is a 64Kbit/sec connection and a big pile of CDs (I have 2 100-cd's tubes)..

Half Life (let's call it that way, since CS is JUST a mod).... welll I'm setting up a server on my alphaserver (this one I use as a router, among other things). Other servers... apache, samba, ftp, ssh, etc... I run them all on linux boxes.... WIN servers seem a little too.... well, WINDOWS-LIKE to me.... Anyway, I think linux is better for networking

Windows 2000 is the only version I like.... and the only one I have installed... I play C-S there... although... I'm installing Linux on that machine and windows on my 'main' because it has a better video card...

Now, why people make their choice... it's hard to say. I can tell you why I made up my mind. I heard about linux a few years before I started using it... but it came up when I came to Paraguay and someone gave me an alphaserver (really old one... but it worked).... So a tecnician (from the enterprise that gave it to me) came to my hose and installed linux with me... four months later, the same enterprise offered me an internship for me to learn Linux and Netowrking. When I say the passion my tutor had for the system... and once I saw it's power... I decided that two years from then I would stop using Linux... This summer it's an year and I'm already using windows on just one machine (I have two plus the alphasever) Still... until I can run Windows Apis on linux (either with wine or with VMWARE... which I have to download yet) I will be tied up to Linux.

Me using Linux wasn't planned.... it just happend. That made me think... we should try to bring as much people as we can... and so I joined a few projects (TLDP-ES and The Linux Counter)... and of course, the very first week I used linux, I learned to use google...

I said before that linux is rising... and I say it again: Linux is growing fast... but it's only thanks to the users that make other potential users knoe the system.

BTW: I feel angry for something I've read... here i post a link (and I call all hackers to deface SCO's homepage)

http://www.sco.com/scosource/letter_...customers.html
 
Old 05-19-2003, 06:50 AM   #44
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Probably because XP is a bitch to bootleg, its better then 2000 in my opinion although I run both at the office and home. You can turn off the XP interface so it looks like 2000.

I agree on the 9x/ME OS's compared to 2k,2k3,XP they are pretty beat.
In my opinion, theres not much difference with XP and 2000....

although I agree that 9x/ME OS's are inferior to XP and 2000
 
Old 05-19-2003, 04:12 PM   #45
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In my opinion, theres not much difference with XP and 2000....

although I agree that 9x/ME OS's are inferior to XP and 2000
I disagree. First, XP uses WAY much more meory than 2000. Although... Xp's controllers are better than 200pro's (SOME OF THEM anyway)

About 98/ME... ME sux a lot. and 98se with all the patchses is a good OS.. not like 2000, but good
 
  


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