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Old 08-15-2009, 11:22 PM   #1
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Question Why doesn't wine work?


I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and installed wine from synaptek package manager but it doesn't work. I tried to install microsoft office 2000 and it repeatedly asked me for a registration key after installation. When I try to run any-other windows programs that I have on my other hardrive that has vista installed the game begins and then stalls and excel and word refuse to open all-together i tried various versions of windows on wine but that made little difference. Does anyone know what the problem is? Is wine really such a weak program or am I doing something wrong?
 
Old 08-16-2009, 01:34 AM   #2
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First of all, don't try to run your already-installed Windows programs directly. Wine is a separate environment with a separate registry, so most programs will need to be separately installed under it in order to run correctly.

Second, please understand how wine operates. Wine is not a single "program" that "works" or "doesn't work". It's a compatiblity layer, an environment simulator, for Windows-based programs. It tries to recreate the Windows API and environment so that they can run. If your program needs an API or such that the wine project hasn't yet successfully duplicated, then it will fail in some way. So the real question is not whether wine works, but whether or not your program works under wine.

What you need to do is go to winehq and thoroughly read their documentation, and check with their appdb to see what experiences others have had with the program. You might also want to consider investing in one of the Codeweavers commercial versions, which are more focused on supporting the major software products out there.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 01:43 AM   #3
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Wine is still very much under development, and many Windows programs will not currently run under it -- especially large, complex programs such as newer versions of MS Office, modern video games, etc.

You might want to look into Virtualbox -- this will allow you to run a copy of Windows from within Ubuntu, with very little overhead. The install for VirtualBox is very easy in Ubuntu, and there are plenty of nice guides out there. Then you should be able to run most (if not all) of your software.

And as far as MS Office, you could just replace it with OpenOffice, which is superior at this point anyway.

--jrtayloriv

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Old 08-16-2009, 06:06 AM   #4
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Wine is still very much under development, and many Windows programs will not currently run under it -- especially large, complex programs such as newer versions of MS Office, modern video games, etc.

You might want to look into Virtualbox -- this will allow you to run a copy of Windows from within Ubuntu, with very little overhead. The install for VirtualBox is very easy in Ubuntu, and there are plenty of nice guides out there. Then you should be able to run most (if not all) of your software.

And as far as MS Office, you could just replace it with OpenOffice, which is superior at this point anyway.

--jrtayloriv
I would actually like to clerify that wine will always be under development as long as windows is being devloped, that is the nature of compatibility support. hehe As for many windows programs will not currently run under it... I don't know where you have been but there is a huge support db for wine, and a lot of programs run under it. You should check the DB before asking questions about an application for wine.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...ication&iId=31

The main problem with wine is DX10 support. DX9 is almost fully supported, though Crossover kind of screwed them over and that's why development has not been as good as it should.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 07:06 AM   #5
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The main problem with wine is DX10 support. DX9 is almost fully supported, though Crossover kind of screwed them over and that's why development has not been as good as it should.
it's both DX9 and 10, where the problem resides for gaming anyway.
Both are NOT well supported currently, DX7 and 8 are however.
DX9 is for like 80 percent complete, but the some commonly used libs are still not fully functional, thus giving problems with a majority of games (new ones anyway). THey might run/install, but not stable and with quite a lot of lag (slow fps), or some game options won't work well (graphical settings related, or multiplay type of options)

i always say, a safe bet would be games that are older then 2 years, have great chance of running well. (although MS games are very difficult to get running (rise of nations e.g.))

so, read the app db, read the user notices, and bugs threads accompaning the app findings, and keep current with your wine releases. (ubuntu has 1.0.1 as the latest release in the repo, while the current (dev) is: 1.1.27, which fixes alot of bugs and problems, etc.. and new things are introduced it's always a worth of try..
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:46 AM   #6
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David the H.,

Excellent explanation. It sure is very helpful.
I wonder where the OP is now, three subsequent posts are good.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:54 AM   #7
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it is proboblay because i dont find that wine can use the net if you try updating a win prog via wine it wont work so that might be why tho i think the wine-gecko package fixes this
 
Old 08-16-2009, 02:28 PM   #8
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As for many windows programs will not currently run under it... I don't know where you have been but there is a huge support db for wine, and a lot of programs run under it.
I've been to the Wine Application Database. I know that many applications do run on it, but it is also true that many don't -- especially more recent applications such as most modern games, and complex applications like MS Office -- which are the two that the OP mentioned.

I think what the Wine people are doing is extremely important, but exaggerating what they've accomplished will not help the OP. It will just confuse him/her, and make them frustrated at Wine, and possibly Linux in general, when they can't get their software to work.

I think that if the OP wants to play recent games and use MS Office, the best option at this point will most likely be either virtualization or dual boot.

--jrtayloriv
 
Old 08-16-2009, 02:35 PM   #9
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I've read and reread the OP's post.
He stated that after installation he was asked for a registration key.
It sounds as if wine were doing precisely what it was supposed to do.
Don't the overwhelming majority of MS products require a registration key to be able to access them after or during installation?
If the OP does not have this registration key available, I would recommend giving OpenOffice a try to fulfill his/her needs.

Edit: Another route the OP could try would be to install VirtualBox to his Linux system, install windows to it and then install whatever he wanted to the windows running in Virtualbox.

Last edited by windtalker10; 08-16-2009 at 02:39 PM.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 04:22 PM   #10
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Thanks to all, these posts were very helpful especially the one about db. As for as the registration key comment, what I did was install win 2000 from a cd when it asked me for registration key I provided it. After installation when I try to run the program it asks me for the cd key again, ienter it again, click ok and it asks me again, so i just gave up and uninstalled the win 2000. Once again thx and Ill check out db.
 
  


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