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Old 11-24-2007, 12:51 PM   #1
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why does wine have bad graphics and framerate


hi im trying to run rome total war with wine but the graphics are extremely poor ive downloaded new drivers and new nvidia drivers but nothing works does anyone know how to make the graphics work better with wine??

GeForce 6400 128mb card
1.7gb processor
80gb hard drive
1.5gb ram

i double all of the required specs but still poor it says my card is supported

please can anyone help ive googled but no joy

thanks
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:02 PM   #2
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The first thing to check is that the 3d accelerated driver are working for native Linux apps.

The quickest way is to open a terminal and use this command:
Code:
glxinfo |grep -i direct
And you should see:
Code:
direct rendering: Yes
If you see "No" then your graphics driver is not installed properly.

Assuming the driver claims to be installed, you might also want to verify that you get a satisfying frame rate in some native OpenGL application. Maybe try Stellarium which reports the FPS at the top right.

If you have compiz/beryl enabled, disable it - it can take graphics resources away from other applications which use OpenGL - especially if that program is running in a window, and not using a full screen mode.

Lastly, wine is a work in progress. There are no guarantees about performance or even function. Wine does function quite well for some 3d applications, but not all - your milage may vary. This article might interest you, which compares wine performance to native windows performance.
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:08 PM   #3
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there is no other programs running and direct rendering is enabled also when i exit a "battle map" the screen goes green in places and the cursor is streched instead of moving and theres no way of continuing gameplay

is windows better for 3d games?
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:17 PM   #4
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there is no other programs running and direct rendering is enabled also when i exit a "battle map" the screen goes green in places and the cursor is streched instead of moving and theres no way of continuing gameplay

is windows better for 3d games?
Windows is probably the best solutions for games that have been written for Windows. This applies to all OSes - Linux is better for applications written for Linux, OSX is better for running apps written for OSX, VMS is better for running apps written for VMS, OS/390 is better for running apps written for OS/390.

The least hassle way to run a program written for a given platform is most likely to run it on that platform.

Wine attempts to offer binary compatibility layer for running Windows binaries on Linux, but it is a work in progress, and there is still work to do.

If you want to run a particular game under Linux, the best thing to do it complain to the game manufacturer if they do not provide a Linux version of the game...
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:29 PM   #5
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i would have thought that at least 80% of retail games are made for windows please correct me if in wrong though, also is there a way to install windows on my hard drive or do i have to reformat to do this (i dont really have the time to reinstall both os and then wait for all the updates to be downloaded) could you explain in laments terms what is causing this to happen? (the most likely reason)
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:43 PM   #6
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i would have thought that at least 80% of retail games are made for windows please correct me if in wrong though
Probably more than that. This is sucky for users of other operating system, but unless we complain to the game makers, they will never respond. Get letter writing before you do anything else!

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also is there a way to install windows on my hard drive or do i have to reformat to do this (i dont really have the time to reinstall both os and then wait for all the updates to be downloaded)
You have time for games, but not to install the OS? Weird.

If you have enough un-partitioned space on your disk then it should be reasonably easy. I can't tell you how to install Windows - I don't run it on a real machine (only in a VM - and then reluctantly), and I have no idea if a modern Windows installer is capable of installing around another OS without ruining your existing installation. I do know that this was not possible back when I did used to run Windows in the late 90s - the installer deleted everything on the hard disk without asking.. How rude!

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could you explain in laments terms what is causing this to happen? (the most likely reason)
Causing what to happen - wine not being able to run the game well? I have no idea. Suffice to say that wine is not finished yet, and may never be a completely reliable replacement for Windows. If it works for some program you are lucky, and if not, well that's just how it is. The project is getting better quite rapidly, so you might find that installing the next update when it arrives solves your problem... It's a matter of trying it as seeing.
 
Old 11-24-2007, 01:53 PM   #7
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You have time for games, but not to install the OS? Weird

i have time to spend an hour or two on a game but i dont have two hours to install then an hour to figure my belkin wireless adapter then roughly 12 hours to download all the updates due to a crappy ISP

but that aside thank you for your help
 
Old 11-24-2007, 02:05 PM   #8
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You have time for games, but not to install the OS? Weird

i have time to spend an hour or two on a game but i dont have two hours to install then an hour to figure my belkin wireless adapter then roughly 12 hours to download all the updates due to a crappy ISP

but that aside thank you for your help
Hehe, I can be a little cheeky sometimes, eh? I appreciate the annoyance at Windows installs... All the post-install updates, driver installs, a dozen reboots and all that malarkey was something which contributed to my decision to drop Windows in the first place.

I guess I would miss the games if they weren't so expensive. I settle for playing Tremulous once in a while, but I understand that will not be enough for anyone with more than a minor interest in the activity.
 
Old 11-24-2007, 02:17 PM   #9
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i just enjoy playing the odd game i wanted to learn to program so i came to linux as i was told it offers a better lvl of support and it is open source which i was advised to get, i bought the game and the shop said they only take returns on a broken game or a disk that doesnt work even thought i have reciept, i oever came my problem with my belkin adapter even though several peaple told me it couldnt be done, i thought maybe i could overcomre this one
 
Old 11-24-2007, 02:43 PM   #10
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I came across an article on wine and directx 9 the other day. Because I'm not much of a gamer, I didn't give it too much attention but I bookmarked it anyway, just in case. Maybe it can help to solve your issues:

http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007...with-wine.html
 
Old 11-24-2007, 03:00 PM   #11
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i would have thought that at least 80% of retail games are made for windows please correct me if in wrong though, also is there a way to install windows on my hard drive or do i have to reformat to do this (i dont really have the time to reinstall both os and then wait for all the updates to be downloaded) could you explain in laments terms what is causing this to happen? (the most likely reason)

The most likely reason is shady compatibility. For action-packed 3D games, you might try Cedega from http://transgaming.com


Cheers
 
Old 11-24-2007, 04:45 PM   #12
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ive checked cedega out, if im correct is this just wineX with the exception that it costs to download and thanks for the info also i will look into that web page jay thanks for your help so far
 
Old 11-24-2007, 08:29 PM   #13
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Actually, no... Wine and Cedega were written by different people for different uses. Wine focuses more on office and productivity software. It might work with some low-level games, but it's basically not designed for that, especially where DirectX is involved. Cedega, on the other hand, was created for the game enthusiast. They offer a large line of cross-platform gaming emulators to mix and match almost every OS and gaming console available.

I do use Wine, but it just doesn't work with everything. Just ask Frank, he'll tell you.

http://frankscorner.org

BTW- Frank Hendriksen developed Wine, TransGaming created Cedega.


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Old 11-24-2007, 08:39 PM   #14
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I think Cedega is a derivative of wine, not a completely separate project. As far as I know they are required to distribute back their additions to wine... or at least to whose whom get Cedega... so ultimately anything worth using from Cedega will make its way back into wine. That doesn't apply to separate programs, but it does to the core compatibility layer.
 
Old 11-24-2007, 09:10 PM   #15
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I think Cedega is a derivative of wine, not a completely separate project. As far as I know they are required to distribute back their additions to wine... or at least to whose whom get Cedega... so ultimately anything worth using from Cedega will make its way back into wine. That doesn't apply to separate programs, but it does to the core compatibility layer.

Perhaps, but that's not the impression I get from the developer's websites, nor is it the real issue. The issue is that Wine does not support DirectX for gaming, Cedega does. I've provided the links to both sites in previous posts. Frank will tell you Wine does not play nice with many games.

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