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Old 01-19-2014, 02:29 AM   #1
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Why does Linux have to be so geeky?


I'm 60 y/o and first registered here about 2005,Ive tried time and again to understand the ins and outs of Linux but with all the acronyms and the geek speak its out of bounds to the average person (not just older people like me who grew up without computers)to try to comprehend.Why would you want to use geek language when we already have a perfectly good one that mostly every one understands (English)or at the very least there should be an index for these acronyms that the average person can relate to? I would use Linux in a heartbeat if I could and I think it would be safe to say that millions of other dummies like me would too.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 02:44 AM   #2
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I'll bite...

As with anything, the more flexible and powerful it is the more complex it is. The in's and out's you say? Well Linux is like DOS + Windows without the lock ups, the BSOD's and with better driver support.

For desktop usage it mostly consists of a console (tty), an X server (xorg, freex86, etc) and some sort of Window Manager, (GNOME, KDE, Fluxbox, etc)

After those you have your applications that sit on top of those layers, this is like any other operating system at this point.
 
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:11 AM   #3
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Windows is just as geeky if you want to learn how to install and configure it. You may have to slipstream drivers or change NTFS permissions using CACLS.
Repairing a car involves learning strange language: "master cylinder", "HT leads", "Retarding the ignition", ...
If you want to learn how to do anything you have to learn new terms and concepts. If that's not for you then fair enough but you'll only ever be a passive user of something somebody else provides be that food, pharmaceuticals, computers or anything else in life.

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Old 01-19-2014, 04:53 AM   #4
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You already has the open mentality to use Linux. Why have you problems to learn some "geek" words?
 
Old 01-19-2014, 05:13 AM   #5
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As above, every technical subject has its jargon; its not just Linux or even just IT...
On the other hand, if all you want to do is edit a few docs and surf the web, then stick to the GUI and it'll be no more difficult than MSWin or MAC, although each one is different.
Conversely, to be a power user on any OS, you'll have to learn some technical terms.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 05:37 AM   #6
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Well,
I will be 62 next birthday. It's not really age related. Just don't use any commands just use the gui.
The older machines were much worse.
Geek is a silly word it didn't used to exist. It just be called a job, or a hobby.
Electronics is full of funny words.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 06:51 AM   #7
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Well,
I will be 62 next birthday. It's not really age related. Just don't use any commands just use the gui.
The older machines were much worse.
Geek is a silly word it didn't used to exist. It just be called a job, or a hobby.
Electronics is full of funny words.
You post is the only sensible one Ive read all the others are littered with acronyms that mean nothing to me. I mean why would you use acronyms in reply to my post when I have just stated that I don't understand them? Talk about dummies. I'm out of here,if these are the sort of people that I'm going to have to associate with to learn linux, you can keep it.I think geek means wanker now days.goodbye.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 06:56 AM   #8
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You post is the only sensible one Ive read all the others are littered with acronyms that mean nothing to me. I mean why would you use acronyms in reply to my post when I have just stated that I don't understand them? Talk about dummies. I'm out of here,if these are the sort of people that I'm going to have to associate with to learn linux, you can keep it.I think geek means wanker now days.goodbye.
Would you rather people help you by saying "Push the thingy connected to the computer that's smaller than the thingy with letters on it around your desk (that thing like a table that your computer sits on) until the pointy whatsit on the screen is over the picture that looks like a square with a hole in it..."?
If you want to be patronised then I'm afraid you will be disappointing as most people who use Linux assume that they're talking to intelligent adults who are able to grasp the odd new word or concept.
 
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Old 01-19-2014, 06:58 AM   #9
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I was 58 when I got my first computer, 60 when I "discovered" Linux, 68 now and by no means an expert (laziness, not age, is my excuse) but I manage. I can read and follow instructions, and have never been afraid of the command-line. More details in the first entry in my LQ blog.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 07:18 AM   #10
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You post is the only sensible one Ive read all the others are littered with acronyms that mean nothing to me. I mean why would you use acronyms in reply to my post when I have just stated that I don't understand them? Talk about dummies. I'm out of here,if these are the sort of people that I'm going to have to associate with to learn linux, you can keep it.I think geek means wanker now days.goodbye.
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Your not helping anyone by calling everyone dummies or a wanker. As a Mod, this could be considered attacking someone therefore a LQ rules violation. So please refrain this type of reply.
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Apparently you do understand what a 'GUI' is and that a 'Geek' is not something bad but nothing more than a enthusiastic person who likes to work within his/her realm. I agree that sometimes tech speak can be hard to understand, even by those who use it. Politely ask the person who uses tech speak to simplify or expand their definition(s).

You will find different personalities throughout humanity so that is no reason to evade or not participate. Simply ask someone to expand or define what they are presenting. One putting their head in the sand helps no one, especially someone who has not thoroughly explained or properly answered your query.

LQ is a world community and sometimes things can get mangled in translation. Ask and you will receive.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 10:22 AM   #11
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Waiting for it to warm up so I am bored before I go outside.

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I'm 60 y/o
Me also, next month.

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registered here about 2005,
You probably have been using computers longer than me.

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Why does Linux have to be so geeky?
Maybe because they are the only ones building and maintaining it. I thank the universe
there are folks like this for poor country boys with a GED like me.

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Why would you want to use geek language when we already have a perfectly good one that mostly every one understands (English)or at the very least there should be an index for these acronyms that the average person can relate to?
Errr, Are you 60 or 11 years old? In my world. Whining at 60 just makes you look bad.
No one is stopping you from implementing what bugs you and I first learned the Gnu/Linux
was open to all comers with different ideas and skills and could use the help.

With that in mind. I offered my limited skills (none what so ever in computers) to help.
With that offer made. I am now a distro team member on 2 Linux distributions. They held my
hand and guided me through using Linux and made this GED Biker smarter.

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Motorcycles,Vodka,Beer,Mead,Rock and Roll, Red Headed women with Freckles,Tattooes
I don't sound too geeky, do I? I hope a light bulb lights in your mind from my post and you
learn that helping out, and teaching other clueless Linux new users that this ain't so hard.
Just different.

Happy Trails, Rok
 
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:25 AM   #12
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You could just tell us what the problem is and we'll help you out. It's hard to figure out from your post exactly what problems you're having and what experience you have. Are you trying to install Linux and failing? Are you wondering whether you should install it? Have you already installed it but something doesn't work and you don't understand the manual or some instructions?

Like I said just ask. There are no stupid questions, no one knew everything from birth.

By the way, the documentation for programs isn't always written by people who are used to writing understandable prose. Very often they are programmers who assume that everyone knows how to define a macro when invoking a compiler, and forget that the average man probably doesn't know what a compiler or a macro is. I guess that's the drawback of Linux: since nearly everything is made by volunteers in their spare time, the tech support is sometimes a bit lacking (although I think this place is very good).

Maybe a summary of Linux terminology would be good... I think I've seen that somewhere, come to think of it.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 10:29 AM   #13
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I'm out of here...goodbye.
Waste of time replying.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 10:38 AM   #14
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I am curious how anyone gets to 60 and has NEVER been faced with something unfamiliar??

Ultimately that is all the 'geeky' words are for anything. As previously said, I am not aware of any field (mind you I am only 45 so still some catching up to do by age) that does not
utilise it's own terminology which when viewed by the standard outsider is not considered strange or geeky.

This goes the same for acronyms ... I would challenge anyone here to be in or have been in any profession that does not have at least one acronym and that for many others not in the field it would either
seem odd or they would know the same acronym to be something else completely different

With my mini rant over, I have the same sentiment as many others here, should you have a valid question about something that currently eludes you, simply ask and many will
attempt to assist. The joy here is that you get to pick whichever answer makes it clear to you
 
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:40 AM   #15
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I usually skip the contentious threads, but this time I can't resist:

I turned 80 years old last June, I'm still just learning Linux after using it exclusively for four years, and I use the word geek with pride and respect.
 
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