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Old 03-15-2005, 11:20 PM   #1
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who is linux really for ?


I am new to linux as of 3 mo ago. I wonder just wonder who (if everybody)
can use linux, it seems to me like another language, I have had windows for ever and dont like all the shutdowns, reboots, and problems windows has. I would like to switch to linux but wonder if i can. I cant seem to get my dsl working, dont know how to get around in linux, guess i need a tutoral or some thing--- confused about it all and a little bit discouraged
 
Old 03-15-2005, 11:26 PM   #2
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Hi, and welcome to LQ!

Hard to answer ... how about starting the other way
around? It's NOT for
a) Utterly stupid
b) Lazy people
c) People who'd set-out to learn Spanish and complain that it's not like English :}
d)

It is for people who:
a) ... like to know what's happening on their comps
b) ... like to be in control of things
c) ... like freedom and variety
d) ...


As far as your DSL problem goes ... maybe you've
just found the right place ;)

Tutorial is a great idea, have a look at our links,
there's rute and other guides mentioned there.


Cheers,
Tink

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Old 03-15-2005, 11:42 PM   #3
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Well I gotta tell you the truth. We're living in a Windows world. Realize that 90 percent of the population use some form of Windows on their personal computers. That's staggering. I've used Windows 2000 for the last 5 years and have been very happy with it. But from time to time I do like snooping into new software and I guess that's why I've been investigating Linux. But unfortunately I've discovered that Linux is very hard to use. It simply does not automatically detect most hardware and instantly set it up to use like Windows does. The reason Microsoft is so successful is because they have made an operating system that's so easy to use that practically anyone can learn to use a computer with Windows installed on it. Windows 2000 and Windows XP are extremely stable and reliable, and the only time you really need to restart your machine is when you install a piece of software that requires a reboot.

I've tried 5 Linux Live CD's so far and the one that comes the closest to being usable from the start is Mepis. But I can't access my zip drive with it. With every distro I've tried I have been unable to either access my zip and usb drives through a desktop icon or in one case not even through the console window. Realize unlike Windows, you're going to be asking tons of questions and your only help will be internet forums. And you won't understand everything that people are saying, cause Linux places you closer to the engine than Windows does.

You can try out some Live CD's just to see what the desktop and menus look like, and see if they will detect your internet connection and printer and such. But it's my opinion that Linux is simply not for the masses. Most people should stick with Windows. In fact trying these Linux distros has just caused me to appreciate Windows that much more, cuz Microsoft has put in a lot of effort to make their operating system quite easy to use.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 12:00 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by 357mag
But I can't access my zip drive with it. With every distro I've tried I have been unable to either access my zip and usb drives through a desktop icon or in one case not even through the console window.
In all honesty, I find that hard to believe ... I've never
tried with a live-distro, but have EASILY (too easy for
my liking) managed that with Mandrake 7 several years
ago, just like that, both with parallel port and IDE ZIPs.

Quote:
But it's my opinion that Linux is simply not for the masses. Most people should stick with Windows.
Heh - please keep telling that to all your happily
windows-using friends, pretty please? :)
No, I'm not saying that because I'm elitist. I'm saying
that because Linux is GOOD. It's "the right thing", and
as far as I'm concerned any change in the direction of
friendly will impact on performance, security or both.

The mentality of people who can "use Windows easily"
scares me, they have NO security awareness... sure,
if their virus-tool updates 2 times a day and windows
asks them to install security upgrades they'll do it,
probably even put that onto "automatic" mode ... but they
don't know what they're doing.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 03-16-2005, 12:07 AM   #5
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For me, Linux can work for nearly anyone! I put my elderly grandparents on Linux over a year ago now and they've no desire to return to Windows. As for my own family, we're all on Linux, as well. You must remember that you need to take the time to learn your new operating system, just as you did with those that came before it. Once you do that, I guarantee you your experience will be much more enjoyable and productive!
 
Old 03-16-2005, 12:33 AM   #6
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357mag I don't agree with your opinions. Linux is not hard to learn, but what I find is that most people from a windows environment (including myself a while ago) expect it to be like windows and don't appreciate that there could be steep learning curve before they get familiar with Linux . Like anything, Linux has to be learnt and this process varies from person to person, coz some will learn it quicker than others. There are so many newbie centric distros out there, that try to mimic the windows way of doing things, like Linspire, Lycoris, Xandros, etc and they do it well. Using these distros can help you to gradually familiarise yourself with Linux before trying out other distros that are geared towards people who are more familiar with Linux and *nix.

As for hardware detection, you have to remember that most hardware vendors do not share their specifications with the opensource community making it hard for the community to create drivers or properly test devices for use with Linux. Windows is also useless without drivers from manufacturers, so really it can end up having the same pitfalls as Linux, if manufacturers simply shipped the hardware without the drivers (which any manufcturer in their right mind would not do). Most non tech people probably don't even know that there are alternatives to Windows because its the OS thats shoved into peoples faces everytime they buy a pc.

When it comes to stability and reliability, I disagree with you when you say Win2k or XP are reliable. I have never had a blue screen of death on Linux, applcations don't just crash for no reason and I don't have to spend hours checking for malware, spyware and viruses on my system. We don't even have to reboot when we install new software, unless you are upgrading a kernel. To me that seems more reliable than any Win OS. Don't get me wrong, Windows has its uses in certain environments, but frankly seaking its more of a pain to most people because they have to spend valuable hours trying to protect themselves from malicious activity instead of being productive.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 12:40 AM   #7
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who is linux really for ?

Me... I'm sure linus and the rest of the world wrote it specifically for me. It certainly feels that way as it so cool and perfect. You guys can use it too, but it was written for me.

BTW in the last few years installing a linux OS has been dead easy. MDK, Suse, FC, they all seem to work out of the box okay - sometimes you might need a driver for the latest hardware... Same as windows.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 01:22 AM   #8
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As far as stability I would really have to say Windows XP came a long way. So that's not a very good reason to use linux over windows. Windows does have a problem with viruses, spyware, and vunerablities. Linux has some vunerability too. No OS that's worth running is ever going to be bug free. But lets put that aside for the moment.

If you just want to turn the box on and go web surfing then it doesn't matter, both can do that. Some people get very emotional about this windows vs linux thing or this distro vs that one. Truthfully, I don't care what you use or what anyone else does for that matter. You are free to use whatever you like. I only care what's running my box.

It just a matter of taste really. I prefer to have complete control over my system. I like learning things I wouldn't have known in windows, as computers are my hobby. The power of linux just puts me in awe sometimes. Just the things you can do in the shell alone makes dos look like a joke. I love the transparency of the system. Everything, is up to me. I make it do what I want, when I want, and how I want.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 01:40 AM   #9
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if we take a look back in history - I came to Linux in the late 90's from a DOS/Win3.11 Win95 background,
of course it is different to windows - even if these days many distros are more user friendly and windowy (i love this word) like fedora - probably a good way comparing Linux and Windows is by comparing a functional programming language like Miranda to a Object oriented language like JAVA (just for the use not the popularity) it simply is different.
Since I started university and had the chance to work on UNIX systems I personally dont want to go back to Windows for any work.

About the wide distribution of M$ (Windows/DOS) to my knowledge M$ only got this popularity in the 80s due to a perfectly executed cue. M$ and Apple were concurrent systems and both introduced a copy protection on their install medium, only that the M$ was easier to get a round and so the M$ system spread more - to put it simply - I could be wrong

Also a small fact Windows set back personal computing by bout 6 years.

Personally I like Win2k and still run it occasionally on my Laptop, it is stable and reliable and in 3 years of running it only had 1 crash. Compared to WinXP which i was forced to use to often and encountered to many crashes (well the long of the short basically is that it went up to 2k and then they slumped down to form again)

And to answer the channel topic - I agree with most here
Linux is for everybody - who is willing to try it and can think outside of the box (which has M$ written on it)
 
Old 03-16-2005, 01:57 AM   #10
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Also a small fact Windows set back personal computing by bout 6 years.
I'm interested in hearing about that?
 
Old 03-16-2005, 02:08 AM   #11
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I saw the documentary about microsoft. Jobs was playing golf the day intel or IMB was meeting with Apple, I forget which. They got pissed off and contracted out to micrsoft to build the os for their hardware. Microsoft is born. If Jobs wasn't playing golf that day, 90% of the world would be using macs.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 02:09 AM   #12
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I'm interested in hearing about that?
Glad somebody is

The 6 years may be a bit vague really but the fact remains that personal computing was set back by several years, due to the facts of missing security, user managment and task managment which was basically was(/is) not there in windows

Consider that Windows still was a basically single user system with no user/file mangment in the late 90s

This is a critical point one could discuss for ages ...

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Old 03-16-2005, 02:33 AM   #13
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I agree that Linux is easy to use.

I set my neighbor up using it, a grandmother with two teenage grandchildren. The kids kept using the music downloading crap and other stuff that basically nerfed her system up with spyware and adware.

I finally convinced her to try Linux, and she hasn't looked back. It took her about 3 weeks to get familiar with it. She now gets around fine. The kids have their own accounts and so can't crap up hers. The only issue that has come up recently is that the grandson (about 19) wants to add Yahoo Messenger to his instant message accounts... Apparently the version of GAIM or Kopete I set up for them is not up to date with their protocols.

Since they have a Unix client, we will install that,... and they should be just fine.

Bottom line is that everyone could use Linux. The problem is that it doesn't come installed on average computers. M$ has used their leverage to push everyone else out of the market. Their corporate abuse is the thing of infamous legend.
 
Old 03-16-2005, 02:34 AM   #14
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Actually I think it was the head man at DR and he was out flying his plane... Maybe we'd be using GEM-XP
 
Old 03-16-2005, 04:55 AM   #15
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Try it with dual boot goosehunter ( Mandrake 10.1 for example ) ...
actually i'm reading avi files, hearing music, burning dvd , chatting with my friends, working with my pda ( PALM ), mail ... Well everything i did before.

I took ages and was a deep thought
but now, linux is done for me , for sure.
 
  


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