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Old 10-18-2004, 06:01 PM   #16
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I would go with KNOPPIX and then Mandrake. Those are good for newbies. Mandrake is the most easiest to install on a HDD if Knoppix becomes a drag. I had Knoppix one time and it just drove me nuts having to pop in the CD everytime you want to play with it.

And then, once your OK with Mandy you could try the "real" Linux distros like Slackware, and Debian. Those are more UNIX-like.
 
Old 10-18-2004, 06:14 PM   #17
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MEPIS

Easiest install I have ever seen. It handles package management via kpackage...nice gui-based.
 
Old 10-20-2004, 01:13 AM   #18
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ive given up on fc2 and any package based distros. right now im installing arch like synaptical reccomended, hopefully it works out ok for me.
 
Old 10-20-2004, 10:53 AM   #19
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Quote:
Originally posted by maybbach
ive given up on fc2 and any package based distros. right now im installing arch like synaptical reccomended, hopefully it works out ok for me.
hope i didn't give you the wrong impression, but arch is a package based distro (package manager ). if you want a source based distro, you'd have to go with something like source-mage, lunar, gentoo, lfk, etc. something in between might be installing a base slackware system, and then installing everything else from source. but you'll have a much easier time of it with arch or mepis, so i suggest you keep going with plan A unless arch or mepis don't work out for you.


p.s. make use of the arch forums and wiki if you get stuck. in my experience, 99% of installation and initial configuration problems can be solved there. gl

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Old 10-20-2004, 03:08 PM   #20
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well i did have a problem, i installed arch and after i rebooted i got to this prompt grub>
all i know is that grub is my bootloader, but i dont know what to do after that. is this normal for an arch installation or did i do something wrong? dont tell me how to fix it though, i promised myself that no matter what problem i come across that im gonna figure out so that i FORCE myself to LEARN linux whether i like it or not.
 
Old 10-20-2004, 03:31 PM   #21
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sounds like you didn't install the bootloader. boot to the installation disk, go into the /arch/setup, and choose the "install bootloader" option. from there i think it lets you choose whether you want grub or lilo. you might want to go into the configuration screen (option 5, i think it is) first and make sure your grub/lilo conf file is correct. if it can't access it from the hard drive, you could just write a simple lilo to boot your system and then fix/replace it once you are booted.
 
Old 10-20-2004, 06:31 PM   #22
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grub options

I don't exactly recall the command, but can't you enter something like "help" at the grub prompt or "list" or maybe just hit tab to see the list of grub boot options?
 
Old 10-20-2004, 08:09 PM   #23
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well i repartitioned my hard drive, and then reinstalled packages, kernel and bootloader (chose lilo this time). i rebooted after everything was installed and i got the same prompt. Im not sure what to do, im trying to edit the menu.lst file, but im not sure on how the syntax works. im not sure whats goin on, but any help will be appreciated
 
Old 10-20-2004, 08:37 PM   #24
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hit tab at lilo prompt

http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lilo-cfg.html

Hitting tab should list the boot options.....
 
Old 10-20-2004, 09:48 PM   #25
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Quote:
Originally posted by maybbach
well i repartitioned my hard drive, and then reinstalled packages, kernel and bootloader (chose lilo this time). i rebooted after everything was installed and i got the same prompt. Im not sure what to do, im trying to edit the menu.lst file, but im not sure on how the syntax works. im not sure whats goin on, but any help will be appreciated
are you sure you're installing it to the MBR and not the partition? do you get a message after installing that says that the bootloader has been installed successfully?

another tip if you're not doing it this way is to only install the base system. you'll just run pacman to update your system after installing anyway, so save yourself the time and install the packages only once with pacman.
 
Old 10-21-2004, 03:13 AM   #26
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ok, i finnaly got arch installed (feel good about it, i learned a lot reading). now i have another problem, theres no gui. im assuming since i only did a base install that X wasnt loaded. is there a way to load x via pacman or something, or is arch only run from the command prompt?

thanks a lot everyone for all ur help, i appreciate it.
 
Old 10-21-2004, 03:16 AM   #27
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startx

Just to be sure X isn't installed, try entering

startx

once you have logged in.
 
Old 10-21-2004, 03:23 AM   #28
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Re: startx

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Originally posted by ehawk
Just to be sure X isn't installed, try entering

startx

once you have logged in.
its not installed. when i type startx it says command not found. im gonna try to edit some of the config files so i can get online. hopefully ill get it done b4 i go to bed 2nite
 
Old 10-21-2004, 12:09 PM   #29
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Re: Re: startx

Quote:
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its not installed. when i type startx it says command not found. im gonna try to edit some of the config files so i can get online. hopefully ill get it done b4 i go to bed 2nite
all your startup options and network configurations are in one place, in /etc/rc.conf. enter your eth0 IP there, or set it to dhcp if you use that. to load a module, just add it to the module line, and to add a service, add it to the service (daemon) line. "very simple, very easy." if you're having problems with any of that, provide details and we'll try to help.

you install and update everything through pacman. # pacman -Q xorg will tell you if X is installed on your system. if you don't have X, type

#pacman -Sy xorg

to install it, then configure X normally, e.g., using xorgconfig, or use an old config, etc. the y option is to update your local database. if you haven't upgraded your system yet, run pacman -Syu first. when installing packages, i usually run -Sy instead of just -S to make sure i am getting the latest one.

to get a desktop/window manager, pacman whatever you want. for example, KDE would be:

#pacman -S kde

if you want another wm instead, but you want to run some kde programs, just install what you need. for example:

#pacman -S fluxbox kdelibs qt k3b

will give you fluxbox, the kdelibs, qt, and k3b. (note that everything is always lowercase.)

you can find a complete list of packages and also search for particular ones in specific categories or repositories here: http://www.archlinux.org/packages.php what i did after i first installed was select a category from the menu -- office, multimedia, etc. -- and then i just went down the list pacmanning every package i wanted.

you can also run pacman -Ss <packagename> from the command prompt to find specific programs. as i mentioned above, pacman -Q will tell you what packages are on your system, or pacman -Q <packagename> will tell you if a particular package is installed. man pacman has all the options. have fun.

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Old 10-22-2004, 01:42 AM   #30
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the problem i was having last night is that i dont know which module to load for my nic (its onboard on an old aopen mobo). i know drivers work for them because i got online with rh, fc, and mandrake. heres a sample of my rc.conf file
Code:
lo="lo 127.0.0.1"
eth0="dhcp"
INTERFACES=(lo eth0)
gateway-"default gw 192.168.0.1"
ROUTES=(!gateway)
DAEMONS=(syslogd klogd !pcmcia network netfs)
i think my settings are right but im not sure. my biggest problem is figuring out which module to load.

thanks a bunch for all u's guys help
 
  


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