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Old 01-25-2016, 02:26 PM   #16
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P.S. One more thing... If I create backups we're talking about here... Would it be OK to keep those backup files on NTFS partition? Say, in Windows 10 environment. I will be creating originally those files in Ubuntu ext. 4 environment. In other words, I'm asking if transferring those backup files back and forth from one type of a file system to another is OK and won't break anything?
 
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It depends on the type of backup. For a cp/rsync style backup, that would not work. NTFS will screw up the permissions, break symlinks, etc. For a tarball or an image backup, it should be fine.
 
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It depends on the type of backup. For a cp/rsync style backup, that would not work. NTFS will screw up the permissions, break symlinks, etc. For a tarball or an image backup, it should be fine.
So for CloneZilla it's fine. What about FSArchiver and Deja Dup? Frankly, I don't know what cp/rsync backup really is...

P.S. Deja Dup is just a Ubuntu Unity's GUI front-end of duplicity tool. I think I would get .gpg files as a backup.

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I know nothing about FSArchiver or Deja Dup.

cp/rsync are file-based backups. It's basically just plugging in an external drive and copying your files over. Once you re-install the OS, you just copy the files back. The filesystem on the backup drive needs to be able to support all of your file types and permissions or you'll lose that information when you make the copy.

image-based backups are not susceptible to this, however image-based backups are a nightmare to maintain IMO because you usually can't do differential or incremental backups (meaning the backup process takes forever), and in order to have a bootable and corruption-free backup, you usually have to unmount the partition, meaning you can't back up the OS from within the OS, you need to shut down and boot into a live system or similar.

Unless you plan to shut down your system, boot into a live OS, and do a full backup from scratch, every day (a process which could take hours, depending on the size of your filesystem), a file-based backup is usually a better idea. After all, a backup that isn't kept up-to-date on a regular basis isn't much of a backup at all.
 
Old 01-25-2016, 08:06 PM   #20
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By the way, what about my 3rd partition, SWAP partition? Does it play any role in this context (ie., in backing up and restoring to the same condition Ubuntu system)? Or should I just ignore its very existence when I'm using CloneZilla, FSArchiver or Deja Dup backup utilities? If you're unfamiliar with the latter two, then please just answer about the former one. And those who know FSArchiver and Deja Dup are welcome to answer me too.
 
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grigory,

You may also find this software of interest.

AOMEI Backupper can do scheduled incremental backups and image cloning for both Linux and Windows:

http://www.backup-utility.com/free-backup-software.html
 
Old 01-26-2016, 11:54 AM   #22
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Thank you, but no, thank you! That application that you've recommended tends to be more Windows inclined.

I have my last question in this thread. From what I've heard... If I do a full system backup with CloneZilla, then I won't have to worry about SWAP partition (probably it would also be cloned as everything else in the system?), BUT... If I just make an image backup of just all of my partitions, except SWAP (ie., / and /home), then after the restoration, I would also have to edit file /etc/fstab to update SWAP's UUID. Is that correct? If yes, then maybe for someone like me would be better just to clone the whole disk which would also include my SWAP partition???
 
Old 01-26-2016, 12:09 PM   #23
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I know that. But that's not what I ask. Again, I'm asking about the best way to MAKE a backup, so it would fit my goal (which is ideally to get a backup file small enough to send it to the cloud or put it on a USB flash drive). Something below 50 GB in size. Also so that the restoration process would be relatively easy.
I would lean to say Back In Time, basically Time Machine for Linux. It offers the granular control you are describing.

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P.S. I wonder why nobody recommends me Deja Dup. It doesn't do the job or simply isn't good enough?
It's a very simplistic tool. Try it if you like, but you're probably going to run over 50GB. Also I know firsthand that restoring from that is a royal pain in the rump because of a bug.

Just know that if your home folder ever goes over 50GB, your backup will never get smaller than that.
 
Old 01-26-2016, 12:50 PM   #24
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Ihatewindows522,
Back In Time uses rsync, so it requires file systems that support hard links on the backup location (as Wiki said). I plan to store the backup on NTFS (among ext4) and in the cloud (and God knows what type of FS they use).

P.S. Have anyone used Bacula for a full system backup? Nobody has recommended me Bacula for some reason...

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Old 01-28-2016, 02:40 PM   #25
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Ihatewindows522,
Back In Time uses rsync, so it requires file systems that support hard links on the backup location (as Wiki said). I plan to store the backup on NTFS (among ext4) and in the cloud (and God knows what type of FS they use).

P.S. Have anyone used Bacula for a full system backup? Nobody has recommended me Bacula for some reason...
It will work with NTFS, just be wary of hardlinks. Auto-remove is a useful feature here.

Bacula is more of an enterprise solution, but it does look viable.
 
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