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Old 08-05-2004, 01:20 PM   #1
Quantum Jim
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What are the hyper super and meta keys?


GNOME 2.6's key binding program referes to keys like "super", "meta" and "hyper". What are these keys? How are they related to my US keyboard's "alt", "ctrl", "window" and "menu" keys?

When I tried out Fedora Core 1 with GNOME 2.4 over a year ago, the "super" mapped to the "window" key. Furthermore, I was able to use the "super" key as a modifier back then. Now, I can't. How do I make the "keyboard shortcuts" program use the old behavior for the "window" key?

And what is "hyper"? Never noticed that key before.

P.S. I consider myself a again, since I started using Fedora Core 2 after about 4 months on Windows. Previous to that, I used Fedora Core 1 for about 4 months and Windows prior.
 
Old 08-05-2004, 04:18 PM   #2
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meta key means the same as ALT. super is, as you said, the "Windows" key...and I could imagine that the hyper key would be the menu key, the one that's between your right control and your right windows-key...I haven't heard about "hyper" altough but that's what I'd guess.

EDIT: ok after checking what the gnome "keyboard shortcuts" program says, I'm not so sure if the 'hyper' key means the same as the menu key as the "keyboard shortcuts" says that the menu key is Menu key and not Hyper...hmm. unless it's not some of those extra-buttons on some keyboards? but shouldn't they each have their own names?

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Old 08-05-2004, 06:21 PM   #3
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When I was using ice, I had the same issue: using 'super' for win key and between versions it quit working. Reassigning it to 'hyper' worked. I think 'hyper' relates to those space cadet keyboards with a trillion extra keys. But the names, codes, functions - none of them *mean* or *refer* to anything, literally. It's just how they're associated and sometimes 'hyper' is associated with the win key on PC keyboards. pek still recognizes it as a 'mod4' or a 'super' at the same time ice wants it to be 'hyper'.
 
Old 08-05-2004, 09:44 PM   #4
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Which applications use the hyper or super keys?

b0uncer, digiot: Thank you very much for the informative replies. I think I'll mimic digiot and reassign the window key to "hyper".

I have one more question, though. Which applications - other than the various window managers - like metacity or ice - use the hyper or super keys? I'm already wary of using the alt or ctrl (meta?) keys since they are used so often (esp. since Fedora Core uses the alt-ctrl-F# combo to switch between consoles).
 
Old 08-05-2004, 10:24 PM   #5
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I don't think any Linux applications use those keys by default, or it would spell trouble for people using keyboards which were designed without Windows in mind.
I see these keys as "free to do whatever you want with" keys.
 
Old 08-07-2004, 08:26 AM   #6
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I agree with mikshaw...there's no point in using those keys for something as default, because they're not "standard" keys - they're just for those "windoze" keyboards..

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esp. since Fedora Core uses the alt-ctrl-F# combo to switch between consoles
well, not Fedora actually. I'd say it's quite basical way of working in linuxes...at least every linux distro I've ever used uses ctrl-alt-f# to switch between consoles (by the way: you only need the control key in that if you switch off from X console - if you switch between text consoles, alt-f# is sufficient. try it ctrl is for X since it might use alt-f# for something else too..)
 
Old 08-07-2004, 12:36 PM   #7
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in an X enviro, at least on my Mandrake system:

Alt+F# - Switch virtual desktops
Ctrl+Alt+F# - Virtual Consoles
Ctrl+F# - Switch Focus (Window to Window)
 
Old 08-07-2004, 06:23 PM   #8
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Yes, but what he's saying is that once you're in a virtual terminal, you can switch to another without needing the Ctrl key...you're no longer in X, so ALT+F# doesn't switch workspaces.
 
  


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