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Old 05-04-2015, 09:16 PM   #16
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the need for RHEL would be for the tech support you pay for

with Fermi lab and CERN both doing a OS
there is no real need to pay for RHEL

so with the choice of
CentOS, ScientificLinux or Fermi-linux on one side

and Debian stable on the other

both the rpm and deb os's are long term and VERY stable


i really can NOT see the LHC running Ubuntu or Mint
they are using SL mostly and Debian
 
Old 05-05-2015, 12:28 AM   #17
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Are they using lenovo?
 
Old 05-07-2015, 07:20 PM   #18
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great information and very interesting stuff. thanks everyone.
Im about a week into debian and slowly becoming comfortable with it. my music program definitely runs smoother with debian than with ubuntu studio (which was my introduction to linux a few weeks ago) even though I loved ubuntu studio as it came complete with all drivers and firmware for every single music related program you can think of.

The installation of non free packages are finally beginning to get through to my brain. i dont have a history of computer admin so the learning curve is proving tough with debian but Im hanging in there trying not to piss anyone off with my bucket of questions. (i seem to fail at this a lot)

im definitely not qualified to assess or comment on any linux distribution but i would have to say that my computer is running extremely smoothly with no problems whatsoever. I seem to be the only problem with my system and im working on correcting that. so far debian has two thumbs up and i will be contacting some guys at nasa for an interview on my 'FREE' documentary which addresses everything to do with freedom, from slavery to Debian. Ill keep you posted.
 
Old 05-07-2015, 07:21 PM   #19
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EDDY1, Im proud to answer my first forum question for you. Yes they are using lenovo thinkpads, the space shuttle is full of them.
 
Old 05-07-2015, 08:58 PM   #20
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EDDY1, Im proud to answer my first forum question for you. Yes they are using lenovo thinkpads, the space shuttle is full of them.
Sorry, no. The last shuttle flight was four years ago, and they used IBM thinkpads. Lenovo didn't purchase that division from IBM until 2005 Lenovo replaced the thinkpads on the ISS In 2012, a year after the shuttle stopped flying.

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/1...-thinkpad.html

Debian was used on ONE experiment on the shuttle. Debian six is used on the ISS.
 
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:49 PM   #21
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ah, tbone, thank god you came back, I missed you. I was beginning to think i had got something right but there you go! at least I got the space bit right. So I was half right? that's an improvement.

---------- Post added 05-07-15 at 10:50 PM ----------

btw how do you that blue quote thing? when i press quote it copies the whole post?
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:19 AM   #22
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You copy & paste, then highlight the pasted content & use the quote symbol at top of quick reply.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 04:40 AM   #23
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ah, tbone, thank god you came back, I missed you. I was beginning to think i had got something right but there you go! at least I got the space bit right. So I was half right? that's an improvement.

---------- Post added 05-07-15 at 10:50 PM ----------

btw how do you that blue quote thing? when i press quote it copies the whole post?

...as you can see, that's the point! But, there are a couple of other tricks. If I take the previous quoted text (with ctrl-c, ctrl-v), I can just remove parts, and just concentrate on some bit that I am interested in (the 'mark up language' used ought to be clear after a bit of trivial spellunking)

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btw how do you that blue quote thing? when i press quote it copies the whole post?
for example. Or, you can just copy and paste some text, highlight it and use the 'quotation' icon above the edit window (although that loses the attribution, which in some circumstances you might want to preserve).
 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:40 AM   #24
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ah, tbone, thank god you came back, I missed you. I was beginning to think i had got something right but there you go!
dunnery, you've said this, and in other posts:
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  • tbone, it was a pleasure me old son! I'll see you in the next round of 'how to get the fricken camera to work in debian'. coming soon, to a forum near you. the end (unless tbone needs the last word) go brother, go!
  • yes, your right, i made it all up just to piss you off.
Read the LQ Rules and posting guidelines, about being sarcastic and insulting. If you're actually 52 years old, then please act like it. This is especially ironic after you said here:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...7/#post5359366

"I understand that to post on this forum without doing my own research is not cool." Do you not understand that being sarcastic isn't 'cool' either??
 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:51 AM   #25
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Just a speculation on my part, but NASA may have chosen Debian in part for its support of older hardware. As an employee at an Air Force base for 3+ decades, I know the government has a lot of OLD machines. At home I have Debian running nicely on a 2003 machine. I dumped Ubuntu when they dumped support for my graphics hardware.
You are exactly correct. The space-shuttle actually used 486 CPU driven hardware, specifically because of power requirements (among other things). That's why they took laptops with them to drive experiments...the on-board systems are more akin to a Raspberry Pi, with dedicated functions (driving hot/cold attitude jets, telemetry, antenna-pointing, etc.)
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It would make more sense to me if NASA ran Red Hat or Suse. With all the problems with Lenovo, it might be that no computer maker would do for such critical work.
Sense is a relative thing in this application. The BASE operating system is Debian 6, but it's heavily modified to be very job-specific. Support for older hardware is required, because think of the development times you're talking about. The shuttle was investigated and begun in the 1960's, with Nixon signing off the project in 1969. You have to design the system for what you KNOW...not what is going to be available in 10-20 years. The early test-flights weren't until 1981, and the later flights had a base-redesign of the computers, because going from the 8088/80286 systems to the 80486 didn't require much. Going from the 486 to a power-hungry pentium (of the era...anyone remember their laptop battery lasting more than an hour?) was a bit of a stretch.

For all we know, there will be a CPU released next year that is 1THz and draws half-watt of power, and will be a game changer. But the current systems are built to use what we have now.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:57 PM   #26
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Sarcastic. No, Just a bit of fun Tbone, just trying to break the ice. You Librans can be a bit contrary sometimes but I know you have some fun in there because you have Mars and Venus in Sagittarius.

I'm 52 in body but I'm probably 37 in the head. Being an international musician for the past thirty years is not the best way to practice being serious. Your a funny guy. They'd love you in England.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 01:59 PM   #27
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Sarcastic. No, Just a bit of fun Tbone, just trying to break the ice.
There is no 'ice' to break; you were being sarcastic and rude, period, and now want to try to deflect it by saying "Hey, just some fun!". Bull.
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You Librans can be a bit contrary sometimes but I know you have some fun in there because you have Mars and Venus in Sagittarius.
And the positions of things in the sky have absolutely ZERO bearing on anything, except to dupe and/or entertain people who don't know any better.
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I'm 52 in body but I'm probably 37 in the head.
A generous estimate, given how you've responded.
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Being an international musician for the past thirty years is not the best way to practice being serious. Your a funny guy. They'd love you in England.
Again, being sarcastic isn't a good way to go. Having people tell you this REPEATEDLY isn't a good thing, nor is being rude enough to continue, despite being told. If you want help, change your attitude and level of effort.

I don't care if you're 37, 52, or 14...grow up, you're speaking with adults here; act like you belong.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 10:56 AM   #28
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Debian tends to be not installed by default, so it's easy to customize towards specific tasks. Ubuntu tends to be installed by default, which can use up a lot of resources like power to manage. Throw in some old hardware and debian is a common base that you can install on ALL your devices from roughly the same sources. And only install what you need to keep things maintainable over a long haul. A lot of sources come with a ./debian/... element which makes using other than distro supplied sources to make a distro specific package relatively easy. And if you have low bandwidth networks and multiple machines the debian option has it's perks.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 11:38 AM   #29
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I really having nothing to add.. I just find this tread interesting.
Also to point out the Valve choice to go with Debian instead of Ubuntu for their Steam OS.
Also keep in mind of the distro structures. I only know of a few main core distros.
With Debians you have branches like like Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Then you have Redhat that have a brach to CentOS
I want to say the SUSE is a main distro, also you got ARCH and Gentoo.

I have tried Debian a couple of times and found it to be a little to naked. My biggest hurdle with Debian is knowing what to install
to make it what I want it to do. That is why I like Linux Mint, everything Ubuntu should be..
 
  


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