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Old 10-13-2013, 12:08 PM   #16
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If you want something that starts small, installs easily, and is GUI-configurable, try Peppermint 3.
 
Old 10-13-2013, 12:11 PM   #17
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You don't have to "rip out" the things you don't use. In Windows, the more stuff you have installed, the more complex the registry gets and the slower the computer. In Linux, if you don't use it, it just sits on the HD and does nothing.

If you want stable, look at CentOS for Gnome or Salix for Xfce: that's why I use them.
 
Old 10-13-2013, 12:11 PM   #18
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Or, Puppy Linux,,,

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You don't have to "rip out" the things you don't use. In Windows, the more stuff you have installed, the more complex the registry gets and the slower the computer. In Linux, if you don't use it, it just sits on the HD and does nothing.
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Some things like desktop indexer and more so installed after the OS can slow it down, I like having more software than needed just to check it out (I mean who needs river cad in a city)

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Old 10-13-2013, 02:22 PM   #19
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Perfect. Please forgive my weird rabbit-trail about a command line installer. Arch, although good, gives Linux a bad reputation among scared-of-installing-an-OS people. Debian Stable looks rather fun, with a good balance between noobiness, stability, and tweakability. Thread Solved. Good luck computing!

*reply to the "off-topic but important"*
The links you posted have to do with fission power, which is rather badly thought out. It produces a bunch of radioactive crap that has to be buried really deep underground, and if something goes wrong, it's a catastrophe. I was talking about fusion, which smushes hydrogen into helium instead of breaking uranium, is a ridiculously clean power source that extracts its fuel from seawater, creates no real waste except helium (and as there is a small helium shortage anyway...), and in the case of a meltdown, the evacuation would only have to last about half a day. The catch? It doesn't exist on earth yet. It is the same thing that powers the sun and is predicted to become a workable power source for humanity in about 40 years (after the global economy gets back in gear).

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Old 10-13-2013, 02:34 PM   #20
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Arch, although good, gives Linux a bad reputation among scared-of-installing-an-OS people.
Just follow

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide
 
Old 10-13-2013, 02:36 PM   #21
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the links in my* view talk about how bad it is plus more links (fusion sound cool)
 
Old 10-13-2013, 04:10 PM   #22
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[QUOTE=DavidMcCann;5044945]You don't have to "rip out" the things you don't use. In Windows, the more stuff you have installed, the more complex the registry gets and the slower the computer. In Linux, if you don't use it, it just sits on the HD and does nothing.

Same with OSX. What you don't use won't hurt you. I suppose that was a little dramatic. I suppose I meant that I don't want a bunch of apps I don't use cluttering the applications menu and stealing 'default app' settings from things I actually want, etc.... Also, after installing a second DE (xfce, kde) in ubuntu, bits of the first one (unity) kept popping up out of nowhere and being annoying (brand marked boot screens, login screens tailored to unity), so for that special case I am forced to notice that package removal is not necessarily clean, and I am assuming that the mess applies to removing most metapackages. Good cascading package removal is a perfectly acceptable alternative to minimal preinstalled apps.
 
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Nothing against Arch; I just like a self-explanatory installer that doesn't usually require a wiki at all.
 
Old 10-13-2013, 05:48 PM   #24
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Yes, that's it. Thanks for reminding me. I had one of those moments where I could not remember something easy. I delayed posting about ten minutes, trying to remember that simple phrase, buy could not overcome the brain fart.
 
Old 10-13-2013, 06:18 PM   #25
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Yes, that's it. Thanks for reminding me. I had one of those moments where I could not remember something easy. I delayed posting about ten minutes, trying to remember that simple phrase, buy could not overcome the brain fart.
You're welcome.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 08:36 PM   #26
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Sorry, Debian doesn't work for me so far. It is definitely lightweight with few preinstalled apps, but it is invisible to my UEFI firmware and when I boot from the dvd into legacy mode, it is revealed that Debian doesn't include drivers for my wireless card or whatever. Maybe this has to do with the fact that it is nearly new hardware; a Dell Inspiron 15R bought new in January.

The bare bones of what I absolutely need are:
stable enough for everyday use by a total noob
everything in one package (drivers, including required proprietary ones) so it can be installed by a total noob
Good UEFI support (minimally enough that the UEFI can actually tell that installation media is present at all)
nothing exclusive to the distro like the Ubuntu Software Center or mint menu (generic alternatives instead)
vanilla Gnome 3


"very few preinstalled apps' is icing on the cake.

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Old 10-14-2013, 08:45 PM   #27
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Sorry, Debian doesn't work for me so far. It is definitely lightweight with few preinstalled apps, but it is invisible to my UEFI firmware and when I boot from the dvd into legacy mode, it is revealed that Debian doesn't include drivers for my wireless card or whatever. Maybe this has to do with the fact that it is nearly new hardware; a Dell Inspiron 15R bought new in January.

The bare bones of what I absolutely need are:
stable enough for everyday use by a total noob
everything in one package (drivers, including required proprietary ones) so it can be installed by a total noob
Good UEFI support (minimally enough that the UEFI can actually tell that installation media is present at all)
nothing exclusive to the distro like the Ubuntu Software Center or mint menu (generic alternatives instead)
vanilla Gnome 3

"very few preinstalled apps' is icing on the cake.
If you have a Dell your wireless could be Broadcom. Those are propietary drivers and it is doubtful you will find the wireless up and runningwithout further downloads. Adding to that you don't want much extra installed so it relly hurts your options. For example PCLinuxOS has the multimedia drivers, and possibly your wireless too but UEFI might not work with it and it uses KDE that they have tweaked.

I also have a Dell. Mine has the intel wireless which worked out of the box. Mine came with Windows 8 which I blew away and then I went into Bios and turned off the smart boot and the UEFI and installed whatever I wanted. Worked for me, sorry, I cannot recall if you wanted to keep windows.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 08:49 PM   #28
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UEFI (bios settings to legacy(?)) is a problem yes I know little about this except it makes dual booting a nightmare (for now.) For WiFi (sometimes like my $ony) you need ethernet or download medium for the nonfree/free firmware drivers

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Old 10-14-2013, 09:10 PM   #29
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Or, Puppy Linux *.iso@165MB has it all and is sweet.

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Old 10-14-2013, 09:14 PM   #30
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http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/ iso@200MB lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD

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