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Old 12-08-2008, 08:57 PM   #1
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Unable to boot from Live cd


Hello all, im not completely new to Linux, i used ubuntu, knoppix and freespire for quite a while as a tech, recovering windows files and customers documents and such. My problem is, i have downloaded and burned, knoppix 5.1 ubuntu 8.10, freepsire (latest) openSuse 11 and DSL and the only one that will run on my pc is dsl, all the others hard lock after displaying the splash screen, ive tried to disable some hardware on my pc and nothing helps. tested the cd's on another pc and they all work fine. my pc is as follows

amd athlon 1.3ghz
512 mb pc 2100 ram
20 gig maxtor ide hdd
pny geforce 5200 256mb pci video card
realtek onboard lan rtl8139
Ali audio (not sure about any specifics on this one, and ive never heard of them either, did try disabling the audio in the bios but no help there)

any help is very much appreciated
 
Old 12-08-2008, 10:54 PM   #2
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sounds like a video card issue

try a cheat code to run as vesa?

can you press escape when splash starts and report what lines you see pls?
 
Old 12-08-2008, 11:56 PM   #3
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i was able to get a little farther using vesa video mode but the text scrolls so fast all i could get was

status (drdy)

ata2 error

kept trying different modes the last one before it locks is pio0
 
Old 12-09-2008, 07:45 PM   #4
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ata suggests either hard drive or optical drive.

if you are happy to touch things inside and know about static electricity try setting your jumpers so that its

master optical drive
slave hd

or if separate ide drives both masters...assuming non-sata....swap them so
optical is on ide controller 0
hd controller 1
 
Old 12-09-2008, 11:03 PM   #5
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Hi,
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ata suggests either hard drive or optical drive.

if you are happy to touch things inside and know about static electricity try setting your jumpers so that its

master optical drive
slave hd

or if separate ide drives both masters...assuming non-sata....swap them so
optical is on ide controller 0
hd controller 1
The reasoning for your suggestion? Why place the cd/dvd on ide0? If the BIOS supports boot order then nothing will be gained.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 04:32 AM   #6
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well I am sure you will make your suggestions to the OP soonish.

However, I am reacting to the alleged error ATA.

I have made suggestion.

As it happens I do have a lot of experience with booting live cd/dvds....but that makes jackmanure unless the OP has success.

thankyou
 
Old 12-11-2008, 06:21 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyoten View Post
Hello all, im not completely new to Linux, i used ubuntu, knoppix and freespire for quite a while as a tech, recovering windows files and customers documents and such. My problem is, i have downloaded and burned, knoppix 5.1 ubuntu 8.10, freepsire (latest) openSuse 11 and DSL and the only one that will run on my pc is dsl, all the others hard lock after displaying the splash screen, ive tried to disable some hardware on my pc and nothing helps. tested the cd's on another pc and they all work fine. my pc is as follows

amd athlon 1.3ghz
512 mb pc 2100 ram
20 gig maxtor ide hdd
pny geforce 5200 256mb pci video card
realtek onboard lan rtl8139
Ali audio (not sure about any specifics on this one, and ive never heard of them either, did try disabling the audio in the bios but no help there)

any help is very much appreciated
Suggestion:

Try Puppy Linux.Puppy is small, fast and amazingly complete.

Question:

The computer is clearly not new, what OS was it running originally?

How well was it working with the original OS?

Does the mainboard have built in video?

Or does it need a aftermarket video card?

You sure that 5200 is pci and not agp (it could be either)?

Anyhow if the MB has onboard video you might try ripping the 5200 out and see what happens.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 07:40 AM   #8
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Hi,
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well I am sure you will make your suggestions to the OP soonish.

However, I am reacting to the alleged error ATA.

I have made suggestion.

As it happens I do have a lot of experience with booting live cd/dvds....but that makes jackmanure unless the OP has success.

thankyou
I was asking for your reasoning of the swap of the ide channels? The ATA errors at the BIOS level should follow the swap so what is gained?
 
Old 12-11-2008, 05:23 PM   #9
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ahh ok well I have seen some live cds that actually want to be on master. I can not remember which ones but I do recall that at least one of them was not happy with old setup.

And because I have no fear...well except of big animals or lots of dollars, hehh heh...I made a change and it worked for me.

I suspect that the reason is due to the live cd ....in the init scripts ....searching for hda/sda...and I think the error I saw was the clue I needed.

we know the OP has got the right bios boot order..optical b4 hd but I have fishing as the error is not clearly defined....so initially I thought video card and then jumper issue.

I am staying with that thought until the OP dismisses me. Or finds a better live cd like sidux.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 05:47 PM   #10
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Hi,

I wasn't fussing, just wondered about your reasoning. Most modern BIOS do really care about the boot order. As long as the media has a bootloader.
 
Old 12-12-2008, 11:12 AM   #11
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The system came factory with win xp on it. It runs xp fine, i use it daily for websurfing and a bit of world of warcrafting. Yes im sure its a pci video card its pny brand geforce 5200, i originally had an ati radeon 9550 agp but it died on me and this was all i had. as for going inside the case i build/repair pc's so thats no problem. I have tried the cdrom on both ide 0 and 1, tried a new cable, tried a new cdrom. this pc works fine and installs software fine under xp, has no problems at all. I just recently tried mandriva spring 2009 and i get the same thing under it. As for onboard video this pc has none and i dont have any other video cards to try. i just cant figure out why DSL will load but no other distro, its a mystery. ohhh and ive not tried puppy yet (next on my list after i buy some cd's anyway thanks for all the help. I appreciate you guys trying
 
Old 12-12-2008, 05:39 PM   #12
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then lets go back to video...

edit grub kernel line for mdv or boot line for knoppix etc and try

xmodule=nv

(for nvidia)

2) if that fails? see this
http://www.knoppix.nl/5.3/knoppix-cheatcodes.txt

noapic nolapic

then try each one with nv
 
Old 12-12-2008, 05:57 PM   #13
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Lack of power?

I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago and it turned out to be I had too many devices running off of my power supply so the CD-ROM couldn't get sufficient power. If you have a lot of devices (fans, HDDs, optical drives, SLI video cards, mutiple CPUs, etc), your PSU might not be able to keep up. I unplugged a couple of fans, my floppy drive and the blacklight (yes, the blacklight) and the live CD booted right up.
 
Old 12-12-2008, 10:31 PM   #14
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It's a pci video card, that is in a pci slot. What about changing the slot. Some motherboards are particular about where a pci video card is installed. Linux may respond to the difference of a change that Windows doesn't.

Have you tried different settings in the BIOS for anything about the graphics card. You changed from AGP to pci and Windows with its driver may handle the card differently than linux.

You have tried Knoppix with cheatcodes. DSL showed something. What about a live-cd with Puppy?

If you connected only your CD drive, jumper set to master, directly to the first IDE connector, that is no HDD, and tried a live-cd do you think it would make a difference?
 
Old 12-13-2008, 03:10 AM   #15
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well as strange as this sounds, i tried 3 different ide cable thinking that it was a data problem and nothing worked. only have one fan in case and cpu fan. just on a whim i went and bought a brand new ide cable and ......it worked fine. was able to boot pclinuxos mandriva, ubuntu, dsl, puppy and open suse. not sure what happened here or why the new cable fixed it but I am now able to boot into a live cd and can install it now. Now the next question is....which one to use. I like ubuntu as i have used it more than any of them, pclinux os seems good too, not to sure about mandriva or suse they seem kinda slow. Any suggestions as to which one to use? Ohhh and thanks so very much for all your suggestions, its kind people like you guys and girls that made me want to start using linux in the first place
 
  


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