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Old 03-18-2006, 07:19 PM   #1
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Question trying to put abiword on mandrake / dependency hell?


i'm encountering a problem when trying to put abiword on my mandrake box. i'm using the autopackage version, and i can't seem to satisfy all the dependencies- i satisfy one, and i end up having to download more packages the next time i try the install.

is this dependency hell?

i also don't have an internet connection on this box, so i end up downloading them on one box (win) and moving them to the mandrake box. it sucks.

so my question is:
is there a way to stop this, or will i always be doing this in linux?
would it be a lot easier if i could access the net?

thanks for any ideas,
sweaty and frustrated

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Old 03-19-2006, 11:54 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by uberdork
i'm encountering a problem when trying to put abiword on my mandrake box. i'm using the autopackage version, and i can't seem to satisfy all the dependencies- i satisfy one, and i end up having to download more packages the next time i try the install.

is this dependency hell?
Yeah, that sounds about right.

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would it be a lot easier if i could access the net?
is there a way to stop this, or will i always be doing this in linux?
Let me answer those two together, by using my own situation as an example.

I run Debian GNU/Linux, and I'm connected to the net 24/7. Whenever I want to install a program, I fire up a root terminal, type apt-get install abiword; then, apt-get downloads the program, does some magic, (possibly) asks me some questions, and I'm done. No mucking around with dependencies, apt-get does that for me. So yes, there is a way to stop this, and yes, it's much easier if you're connected to the internet.

Is something possible w. Mandrake? Possibly. I heard that urpmi is a nice and userfriendly program that does about the same as apt, so you might want to look into that.

hth --Jonas
 
Old 03-19-2006, 12:16 PM   #3
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The main stumbling block is that you don't have an internet connection. If you had one, you could just use Mandrivas/Mandrakes package manager urpmi and it would install all the necessary packages automatically from the internet. Unfortunately you will have to install all the necessary dependencies. Another problem could be that you are installing abiword on an older distro so this will result in more dependencies when compared to those user distros with newer libraries in newer distros.
 
Old 03-19-2006, 12:28 PM   #4
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I've heard that Apt has been ported to rpm systems, but I don't know about Mandrake/Mandriva. Apt is much better overall than rpm, but it's really designed with network access in mind, so I imagine it would be less useful on a machine with no internet connection (you can still install from CD or hard disk if you need to however).

I personally started out in Linux with Mandrake 9 & 10, but very quickly got fed up with the dependancy hell and some other quirks. I switched over to Debian and it was like a breath of fresh air. But Debian was a bit more difficult to use overall, which turned out to be a good thing because it forced me to get my hands dirty and actually learn how to do things on my own. I do sometimes miss the nice graphical config suite Mandrake had though. ^_^

Distros are like personalities in Linux. Some of them you can get along with well, others you just can't stand. I suggest that you check out some of the others out there, especially Ubuntu or one of the other Debian based systems. Perhaps you may find one that suits your needs better.
 
Old 03-19-2006, 12:39 PM   #5
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One more idea: how about setting up a network between your boxes and setting up file and net sharing between them? One of the things Linux is good at is acting as an internet router and firewall, so if you can't do it the other way, you might find it convenient to plug your Linux box directly into the net, then plug your Windows box into that. All you'll need is a cheap router or extra lan card and the cable to go between them.
 
Old 03-19-2006, 12:49 PM   #6
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Apt is much better overall than rpm
Your comparison is not right. You should be comparing dpkg and rpm. Both have similar problems with dependencies so tools like apt, urpmi and yum make it easy to resolve those dependencies. The only problem with these tools is that they are more useful to those that have a net connection than those without.
 
Old 03-19-2006, 04:09 PM   #7
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well thanks all. those are exactly the answers i needed to hear. i guess my next questions will have a lot to do with getting some internet set up. i'll start a new thread when the time comes.
again, thanks for all your help!
 
  


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