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Old 11-18-2004, 09:56 AM   #16
tdierikx
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Thanks for that tip Hangdog42...

For now, I've downloaded and printed off the doco for Mandrake 9.2... I love the high speed printers at work... hehe! Maybe I'll reinstall it from scratch and do some reading along the way... while I wait for 10.1 Official to come along for free anyways...

Come saturday, I'll have 12 straight days off from work to do with as I please...yay! 3 guesses as to what I'll probably be doing?

T.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 10:12 AM   #17
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Come saturday, I'll have 12 straight days off from work to do with as I please...yay! 3 guesses as to what I'll probably be doing?

T.
Yes, but won't you miss those high-speed printers?
 
Old 11-18-2004, 11:54 PM   #18
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I can always drive to work and use the printers if I need to.... I'll just have to do it after business hours... no biggie...lol!

I'm just hoping that the darned weather cools down a bit... we've just had 2 very hot days and it's not good for trying to sleep after nightshift...

T.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 12:38 AM   #19
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Re: Totally confused.... Mandrake 9.2/Fedora Core 3...

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Intel P4 2.8 on a Gigabyte GA-8SG800 mobo SiS 648 chipset
768mb DDR/400
Onboard Realtek ALC650 sound (AC97 basically)
Realtek RTL8139 nic (for internet/LAN access)
GeForce 4 MX440 vid card
Seagate 60gb HDD (x 2 - 2nd drive is in a removable drive bay and is full of backed up 'doze stuff - currently disable)

If that HDD is a SCSI HDD, then I recommend Mandrake above FC


This is so because I have a seagate Cheetah ST336607LW 10000 rpm 4.7 ms seek time SCSI HDD attached to an SIIG AP-20 controller. The modules tree in the boot CD of Fedora did not have the driver for my controller (I checked) and thus was unable to run it, so I could not install (it may have been possible to remaster the driver into the iso image and reburn it or something, I dunno. Had the same problem when I installed windows in a separate partition, but the vendor provided the windoze driver & I popped it in a floppy and the install cd detected it from there). In any case, Mandrake 10.0's boot cd DID have the driver ( in "/lib/modules/kernelblabla/drivers/scsi") and thus I had no trouble installing the OS. This proves that Mandrake has more drivers built into it's default kernels AND the isolinux-booted kernels in the CD itself than FC does.

If you have one of those high-fallutin' Adaptec controllers, then maybe FC will work too (I saw the drivers sitting around in that directory), but if you're a starving grad student like myself you can't afford 'em.

Also, I have been told that 2 SCSI HDD's in a chain can create problems in linux unless the ID's are set to be consecutive (Don't ask me what or why, I have no idea. Too poor to afford ANOTHER SCSI device to check this claim out)

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So I got totally disheartened at that little adventure and fished out a copy of Mandrake 9.2 which installed fine and actually boots up and works like a charm! OK - a few small problems with the sound under KDE - but otherwise all seemed to be working fine... until I decided to have a play and messed in drakconf Update and installed some of the extra games from the install CD's... now I've lost 90% of the darned Menu links....grrr!

Frankly, I have no idea whatsoever where mandrake keeps it's menus ( and don't say "/usr/share/apps"
or "/usr/share/applnk-mdk", cause those do NOT correspond to the menus on the KDE desktop kicker, I checked.). I'm pretty sure it's somewhere is "/usr/share" or "/usr/local/share" so I set a cron job to back those directories up everyday. If my menus get screwed beyong easy repair, I just untar those old backups back.

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Another thing that makes me prefer to get FC3 happening here is the abundance of literature available for RedHat/Fedora - something I'm having trouble finding in relation to Mandrake 9/10... I like books OK...lol!

Bah! Humbug! Docs & literature are primarily application and environment specific, not distro specific. Most really good books on Linux focus on using specific programs that are pretty common to all distros (or they have other equivalents) . The only "literature" you get on specific distros are silly stuff like what pointy to clicky for running which nicey GUI thingie built by them, which turns out to be a perl/python script one could have figured out just by opening in vi & using common sense and no real knowledge of programming (like me). Anybody can figure those out by themselves. A particular utility on linux is developed by a team (whether independently or under the distro's employment if it's a company or the equivalent if it's something like Debian) . If you want to install & use a particular application or runtime/developmental system or whatever, just goto their sourceforge website (or equivalent) & there you will find plenty of stuff u can read. Or you can join their special mailing lists and ASK somebody, or you can ask here at LQ, or your community's LUG. Either way, I have yet to be seriously disappointed.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 09:27 AM   #20
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Re: Re: Totally confused.... Mandrake 9.2/Fedora Core 3...

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Frankly, I have no idea whatsoever where mandrake keeps it's menus ( and don't say "/usr/share/apps"
or "/usr/share/applnk-mdk", cause those do NOT correspond to the menus on the KDE desktop kicker, I checked.). I'm pretty sure it's somewhere is "/usr/share" or "/usr/local/share" so I set a cron job to back those directories up everyday. If my menus get screwed beyong easy repair, I just untar those old backups back.
What a good idea! I've save myself a lot of time recently, not re: menus since I seldom care about those, but following malfunctions due to the changeover from 9.2 Mdk to 10.1. Thanks to various backups, I was able to replace missing libraries, programs that didn't work anymore, and various settings from the (very adequate) 9.2 setup to the new one. I wasn't sure I wouldn't land in bigger trouble that way, but figured it was worth a try, and it worked in almost all cases.

With respect to the menu situation, it seems to me that would be a good time to have the ability of a backup utility such as rdiff-backup (which I use for "differential" backup three times a day, on a cron job). With rdiff-backup, you can restore any part of what you've been backing up to the condition it was in a given length of time ago (subject to how often you backup, of course). This feature has proved useful for me once or twice, though rdiff-backup is a bit complicated to use and in my experience not foolproof.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 03:14 PM   #21
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hari_seldon99,

My HDD's are IDE - god only knows what Fedora 3 doesn't like in that box? It installs fine on my old P2 400 laptop... solution? I whacked a network card into the laptop and will test things with Fedora on that machine instead... need more RAM - but I'm sure I'll manage...

As for the "pointy clicky" thing... errr... that's me right now - no idea how to do anything with linux as yet... welll - I can get a directory listing and change directories... oh... and can cat files - even with a "| more" ... hehehe!

I understand you on the books thing - but I reckon that if I read up a bit more on this linux thingo - it may stop me asking the really basic dumb newbie questions and making a fool of myself in here... lol!

I mean, I have absolutely no idea of the directory structure under linux - no idea of how to make things run from a command line (although I found out that "startx" from the command prompt in Mandrake 9.2 will get me to a GUI...) - no idea how to back up - or how to install things... you get my drift...

Me = TOTAL linux n00b!

Oh - and jonr... thanks for all of your assistance too matey - suggestions have all been noted...

If I do my reading and scanning forums, etc - I'm sure I'll get this linux thing happening in my head... just too used to the 'Doze "experience" I think... I'll get there... lol!

T.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 04:53 PM   #22
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Hi tdlerlkx,

I installed mandrake 10.0 OE and it seem to work fine, even on my laptop!!! I am however getting the same problemas you with eth0, how did you get rid of it?

Mat
 
Old 11-19-2004, 04:54 PM   #23
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welll - I can get a directory listing and change directories... oh... and can cat files - even with a "| more" ... hehehe!
Try using "less" instead of "more"--less is a much more flexible and user-friendly version of more.

Type less --help to learn more about this useful command. Or whenever using less, you can type "h" to get help instantly and "q" to return to what you were reading. Less allows very nice searching, too: the help file tells how.

Don't be afraid to ask "dumb" questions--what I do is search the forums for prior questions that might serve me just as well, and then if I don't find any after several pages of previous posts, I go ahead and ask.

As a side note, it would REALLY help if more people titled their inquiries something other than, say, "Help! I'm lost" or
"An interesting question" or the like--really not very helpful for search purposes! I routinely ignore those--hardly time for the specific ones, let alone ones that are a mystery without actually visiting the page.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 05:07 PM   #24
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Hi tdlerlkx,

I installed mandrake 10.0 OE and it seem to work fine, even on my laptop!!! I am however getting the same problemas you with eth0, how did you get rid of it?

Mat
I believe tdlerlkx's first post indicated she solved the eth0 problem by reinstalling (one of my favorite ways, though scorned by those who understand things better than I do). I've found that Mandrake is not too good at correctly installing (in my case) DSL setups without sometimes two or three tries, so that could be why.

However, you can test if that's what's slowing down your boot (I interpret your post to mean that's the problem), by entering "interactive startup" when the program reaches that point. It will say (you've hit "escape" to get the verbose output shown, right?) "Enter 'i' for interactive startup." At which point you press "i" and it will prompt you for yes or no to every startup item from then on, unless you press "c" for "continue" meaning continue non-interactively.

Good for troubleshooting during startup time.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 08:52 PM   #25
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I had the eth0 problem when I tried to install Fedora Core 3 - when I let it auto assign stuff... next install try, I set the IP addresses I needed manually - that worked a charm...

So when I gave up on Fedora and installed Mandrake 9.2 - I also manually assigned the IP addressing during install - that worked with no problems...

Ahhh man! I REALLY need to clean up this room! I have to make some space to set up the laptop so I can test whether this Fedora install is actually gonna work with the networking that I set up on it...lol!

Which brings me to another question.... on the laptop, I can only get a screen res of 800x600 which makes a smallish box in the middle of the screen to use... is there any way to make that increase to use the full screen boundary? (Laptop has Fedora 3 installed and running nicely otherwise) I've tried resetting to 1024x768 - but with that res I just get a blank screen...grrr!

T.
 
Old 11-19-2004, 10:02 PM   #26
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Which brings me to another question.... on the laptop, I can only get a screen res of 800x600 which makes a smallish box in the middle of the screen to use... is there any way to make that increase to use the full screen boundary? (Laptop has Fedora 3 installed and running nicely otherwise) I've tried resetting to 1024x768 - but with that res I just get a blank screen...grrr!

T.
Does the Fedora install (sorry, I've never done one so I have no idea) give a choice you can make of different monitors and video cards, as Mandrake does? If so, I would experiment with those as long as it works similar to Mandrake where if a setting is really screwed up, it reverts to what was working when you started, after 12 seconds of time to respond. This is useful when the response boxes aren't even visible any more!

Mandrake as I recall has a few options for laptop screens. As for my screen, a 15-inch Microtek desktop monitor, LCD, the setting "generic 15-inch flat screen" (or words to that effect) is the one that works, since Microtek is not among their manufacturers listed, or at least my model C586p is not.

(A side note: When I was experimenting (sometimes fatally) with Debian distros (namely LibraNet and SimplyMEPIS), I thought my screen flickered less--although it scarcely flickers at all under Mandrake 10.1, and certainly no more than with the Windows 98 I used till I saw the light of day. Do you suppose the Debian drivers are different?)

Re: cleaning up your room--do I EVER know that feeling. I love classical music and console myself with knowing that Beethoven was evicted TWICE for sloppy housekeeping.

After all, if we're going to choose between Linux and neatness, what's the obvious choice?

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Old 11-20-2004, 01:06 AM   #27
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After all, if we're going to choose between Linux and neatness, what's the obvious choice?
Hahahaha - I'm female - I want BOTH! ...and I want them NOW!

Oh well - I've filled the garbage bin - I'll have to wait until the nice men come and empty it before I can do any more cleaning...lol!

I think I'll just have to "emasculate" the PC that my ex now wants... rip out that 512mb RAM stick and put back the original 128 he bought it with...

T.

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