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Old 05-30-2005, 08:02 PM   #1
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Total Noob, Need help installing


Ok, i have decided to Run linux on my 2nd machine. (so far i have tried Mandrake & Ubuntu ) and i plan to use unbuntu for awhile.

I have no idea how to install things, i have downloaded afew files which have .run and others with .tar.gz (?) i found a thread on this forum about using Tar files but it didnt help me and i just more confused.

Basically what i want to install is the nvidia driver & wine.

If someone could tell me the steps to open the program to open to enter all the code? ( like a shell/dos ? am i correct? )

Also very simple comands that i could just enter in and it works.

Apart from that i have found no other problem so far.

Thx in advance.

~ryan
 
Old 05-30-2005, 08:24 PM   #2
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I have no idea how to install things
open a shell, type in, as root, "apt-get install synaptic";
then, whenever you want to install a program, run synaptic. It has a nice `find' facility where you'll probably find wine (it's in debian and ubuntu is debian-based).

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I have downloaded a few files which have .run and others with .tar.gz (?) i found a thread on this forum about using Tar files but it didnt help me and i just more confused.
Explain what you're uncertain of. How to unpack? What to do with the contents?

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Basically what i want to install is the nvidia driver & wine.
*sniff sniff* smells like gaming
The nvidia driver install looked long-haired to me, but the doc was quite decent iirc. RTM, do what it says, and report back with the problems.

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If someone could tell me the steps to open the program to open to enter all the code? ( like a shell/dos ? am i correct? )
The generic term is `shell'; the most popular shell is `bash'. Assuming you know how to start a terminal (otherwise, browse the `start' *cough* menu):
$ tar -zxf filename.tar.gz #unpacks a tar file
$ ./configure
$ make
# make install
(the $'s aren't part of the commands, they're the shell prompt).

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Also very simple comands that i could just enter in and it works.
# apt-get install programname
That one has never failed me.
# shutdown -r now
That one also works as it should, but it only fixes intermittent faults

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Apart from that i have found no other problem so far.
good for you.

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Thx in advance.
Yw in advance.

--Jonas

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Old 05-30-2005, 09:10 PM   #3
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Explain what you're uncertain of. How to unpack? What to do with the contents?
pretty much all of it , all i have is the download straight from the interent (i havnt progressed any further)

With the .tar.gz file (wine) i double clicked on it and then moved the folder it opened into the home directory. ( pretty sure thats not the right way to do that though).

Also i have another couple of question, after i have wine installed (providing i can actually figure out how to do that) will it read the cds? or is there other things i need..

Also what EXACTLY is gnome in simple terms? i have read somewhere about it acting as a linux skin/theme programe? if it is i really need it lol.


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Old 05-30-2005, 09:53 PM   #4
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Ubuntu comes with Synaptic, which is a GUI to apt (which is used for managing (installing, upgrading, downgrading and removing) packages).
Follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Addi...sitoriesHowto/ to get Synaptic setup. After that you can search in Synaptic for 'wine' and install the appropriate package.
Then you will need to configure wine (and no it won't just work when you pop a Windows disk in, unfortunetly), and you should read: http://www.winehq.com/docs/wine-user...NFIG-WINE-MAIN and learn how to use it (next chapter).

As for the Nvidia driver, follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto (the Nvidia part only, of course), it's pretty straight forward.

You already have GNOME, ubuntu uses it by default.
GNOME is a Desktop Enviornment, it is everything that you see before you.
I dunno any easier way to put it.

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Old 05-30-2005, 11:59 PM   #5
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Originally posted by piratePenguin
Ubuntu comes with Synaptic, which is a GUI to apt (which is used for managing (installing, upgrading, downgrading and removing) packages).
Follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Addi...sitoriesHowto/ to get Synaptic setup. After that you can search in Synaptic for 'wine' and install the appropriate package.
Then you will need to configure wine (and no it won't just work when you pop a Windows disk in, unfortunetly), and you should read: http://www.winehq.com/docs/wine-user...NFIG-WINE-MAIN and learn how to use it (next chapter).

As for the Nvidia driver, follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto (the Nvidia part only, of course), it's pretty straight forward.

You already have GNOME, ubuntu uses it by default.
GNOME is a Desktop Enviornment, it is everything that you see before you.
I dunno any easier way to put it.
Ok seems pretty straight foward (atleast for the nvidia driver) ill probly end up having trouble with installing Wine though.. but i have to learn it sometime i guess.

Thx for the help, if i have any more problems ill post here, if anyone has any more info about this feel free to reply.

~ryan
 
Old 05-31-2005, 12:10 AM   #6
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OK, well setup synaptic and install the nvidia drivers.
Then install wine (with synaptic), and it might have a good default configuration. Try and run whatever program with 'wine program.exe'. To install a cd, mount it, say in /mnt/cdrom, then 'cd' to it and run 'wine setup.exe' to start the installer.

What kindof programs are you going to be running in wine BTW? It's not great at certain app's, especially games :/
 
Old 05-31-2005, 01:34 AM   #7
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OK, well setup synaptic and install the nvidia drivers.
Then install wine (with synaptic), and it might have a good default configuration. Try and run whatever program with 'wine program.exe'. To install a cd, mount it, say in /mnt/cdrom, then 'cd' to it and run 'wine setup.exe' to start the installer.

What kindof programs are you going to be running in wine BTW? It's not great at certain app's, especially games :/
Yea i was planning on using it to install my games, is there a better way than using wine?

First games that come into mind that i would like to install is CoD & Doom3. (both are compatible)
 
Old 05-31-2005, 02:07 AM   #8
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Well you don't need wine for Doom III, it runs natively.
And it looks like Call of Duty runs well under Wine.

Wine is unable to play certain other games properly. It's DirectX is rather crap. Another project, Cedega, was setup by transgaming, purely to improve on playing DirectX games. You have to pay $5 a month for it (or is it $10?... Can't remember), or you can compile it from CVS for free, which is supposadly very hard and a good bit older than the paid version.

Then there's crossover office, which is targeted mainly at applications rather than games.

Looks like wine might just suffice for you though, hopefully.
 
Old 05-31-2005, 03:07 AM   #9
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Well you don't need wine for Doom III, it runs natively.
And it looks like Call of Duty runs well under Wine.

Wine is unable to play certain other games properly. It's DirectX is rather crap. Another project, Cedega, was setup by transgaming, purely to improve on playing DirectX games. You have to pay $5 a month for it (or is it $10?... Can't remember), or you can compile it from CVS for free, which is supposadly very hard and a good bit older than the paid version.

Then there's crossover office, which is targeted mainly at applications rather than games.

Looks like wine might just suffice for you though, hopefully.
well thanx for that, but i have absolutly no idea howto run doom3, i go to all those links and yet it only talks about installing the patches etc.

How do i actually install doom3? ive entered the cd..(doent install, so im guessing i need a code..) is it possible for someone to tell me what to type? i only needa get one thing working and ill be able to desifer the rest.
 
Old 05-31-2005, 08:39 AM   #10
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Doesnt matter, ive given up. Linux just has to many issues and delibratly uses the long/hard way of doing things.

Ive spent the last 2/3 days just trying to install 1 game.. and it still doesnt work. I might just stay with windows that atleast it works.

(no flame against linux users intended) i just dont see y linux deliberatly makes the easiest/simplest things hard/complicated. Especially when all the Tuts/Guides never really tell you how to do it properly.

cya.

~ryan
 
Old 05-31-2005, 01:42 PM   #11
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give kubuntu a try

i was having some newbe issues using gnome so i switched to kubuntu which uses kde enviroment which i find much better. You can change from ubuntu to kubuntu in less than 5 minitus same4 kerrnal diffrent desktop
 
Old 05-31-2005, 02:10 PM   #12
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Originally posted by agryan
Doesnt matter, ive given up. Linux just has to many issues and delibratly uses the long/hard way of doing things.

Ive spent the last 2/3 days just trying to install 1 game.. and it still doesnt work. I might just stay with windows that atleast it works.

(no flame against linux users intended) i just dont see y linux deliberatly makes the easiest/simplest things hard/complicated. Especially when all the Tuts/Guides never really tell you how to do it properly.

cya.

~ryan
That game you're trying to play was designed for Windows, not GNU/Linux.
You try running the GNU/Linux version of tuxracer on Windows, and goodluck! (You will find that it simply isn't possible)

Most people find Ubuntu easier than Windows. When you wanna install something, all you do is check a box and click install, what could be easier than that?
 
Old 05-31-2005, 06:17 PM   #13
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That game you're trying to play was designed for Windows, not GNU/Linux.
You try running the GNU/Linux version of tuxracer on Windows, and goodluck! (You will find that it simply isn't possible)

Most people find Ubuntu easier than Windows. When you wanna install something, all you do is check a box and click install, what could be easier than that?
double clicking on it :P , took me forever to find out how to install.

And i was under the impression Doom3 was linux compatible? was it not? after hours of playing with it.. i finally got it to start loading the installer.. but it quits becouse of an error.

Tried CoD using Wine.. freezes during installation (although i kind of expected that)
 
Old 05-31-2005, 09:23 PM   #14
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double clicking on it :P , took me forever to find out how to install.
Yes, double clicking on it would probably be easier. But in Windows it takes far more than a double click to install something. First you gotta find it (on the web, on CD, or whatever), then run it, then wait, then follow the wizard... That's what you're used to doing. Well Ubuntu does it a different way. You probably downloaded some files from the internet and double clicked them, expecting some kinda wizard to pop up to assist you. That's what you do on Windows, not on Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is not the same as Windows, they do things differently.
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And i was under the impression Doom3 was linux compatible?
There is a GNU/Linux version of Doom III, yes.
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after hours of playing with it.. i finally got it to start loading the installer.. but it quits becouse of an error.
Hmm.. What was the error? Also, did you try searching in Synaptic to see if it's in the repositories? I would doubt that it is but, it's worth a try.
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Tried CoD using Wine.. freezes during installation (although i kind of expected that)
Well... Unllucky. Wine is a complicated business. Better waiting until you know more about GNU/Linux and Wine, and then trying to fix it.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 01:01 AM   #15
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Yea thats what i figured, with the doom3, do i have to buy a different version that is just linux?

Also is there any game that is Windows/Mac/linux compatible out of the box?

For now i am just going to try acouple of other distros. (debian - i like it better)


(btw the problem was something to do with Drivers)

~ryan
 
  


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