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Old 10-19-2014, 04:23 PM   #16
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Thanks for all the input guys, I decided for Debian Wheezy
 
Old 10-19-2014, 06:34 PM   #17
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Cool. If you get bored try more ("apps"++ like Jessie or even more to try Sid and even other distros...

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I think I have my hands full already!!
 
Old 10-19-2014, 11:26 PM   #19
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Ha! For now, unless you only ever want to do the basics? I've found Wheezy constricting and Jessie doesn't brake toys... but, yes take your time.
 
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Thanks for all the input guys, I decided for Debian Wheezy
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Enjoy Debian!
 
Old 10-21-2014, 12:03 AM   #21
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Just out of curiosity, what do you find constricting about Wheezy?

In fact what are the differences between even the different flavors of Debian??

The world of linux is soooo vast...
 
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There's more code, tweaks\settings, hard\software, conveniences... good read here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/d...oosing.en.html

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  • Debian Stable if your first priority is a rock-solid system, and you don't necessarily need to support the very latest hardware. This is often the case if you are setting up a server of some sort, but it may also be true if you are going to use a bit older .system as a desktop workstation,
  • Debian Testing if you want or need to have the latest hardware support, kernel developments and advanced filesystems

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Just out of curiosity, what do you find constricting about Wheezy?

In fact what are the differences between even the different flavors of Debian??

The world of linux is soooo vast...

Debian Wheezy is stable. That means it's EXTREMELY well tested, although most of the programs are older if not downright archaic versions.

Debian Jessie is testing. While the packages get some testing, they're usually pretty close to the latest versions and may contain bugs that cause headaches. Also because of this, a fully Jessie system currently may not be as stable and may crash after upgrading (unlikely, but possible). Jessie will be the next stable version.

Debian SID is unstable. Basically the latest versions of packages, with little to no testing. Almost guaranteed if you run this and you don't regularly check the bug reports before doing upgrades you WILL eventually crash your system.

That's really the only true difference. You can get almost all the same stuff set up in a wheezy install as you can with a Jessie install through adding the non-free and contrib repositories, it's just going to be older versions (and a few programs that aren't available as they haven't been tested enough yet). The big thing is that some things may no longer work with Wheezy because it is so old, that they've dropped support for programs/libraries that old.
 
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Great explanation, thank you!
 
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I haven't had Jessie or 98.9% of the apps crash in over 4 or 5 years (at lest...) and, I usually install a lot of apps even bloat. But, like I said I multi-boot and keep CLI only around too so if something did brake no worries can always access all data from any distro. You would have to do some serious hacking to get all the conveniences, tools (&c I've noticed over the years (try) using both) and sweetness of Jessie in an old man?

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Old 10-21-2014, 03:23 PM   #26
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I haven't had Jessie or 98.9% of the apps crash in over 4 or 5 years (at lest...) and, I usually install a lot of apps even bloat. But, like I said I multi-boot and keep CLI only around too so if something did brake no worries can always access all data from any distro. You would have to do some serious hacking to get all the conveniences, tools (&c I've noticed over the years (try) using both) and sweetness of Jessie in an old man?
Few things to come to mind

Your % assumes that the key variable of things breaking (i.e the user) actually knows what they are doing

Secondly, 4 or 5 years?!

How long has Jessie been in beta, and when is it likely to replace Wheezy? Is this lifecycle generally the same for most distros?

Thirdly, how difficult is it to "upgrade" to Jessie once it becomes "stable"?
 
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Few things to come to mind

Your % assumes that the key variable of things breaking (i.e the user) actually knows what they are doing

Secondly, 4 or 5 years?!

How long has Jessie been in beta, and when is it likely to replace Wheezy? Is this lifecycle generally the same for most distros?

Thirdly, how difficult is it to "upgrade" to Jessie once it becomes "stable"?
Jessie has been in beta since May 2013, when Wheezy changed from testing to stable, Squeeze changed from stable to oldstable, and Jessie was created as a snapshot of SID (SID never changes from unstable).

I believe it goes into a freeze beginning of next month. At that point, there will be no major feature changes and only security/stability work going on. It will then stay in freeze probably ~6 months before being released as stable (making Wheezy oldstable).

To upgrade from wheezy to jessie, in theory, do a dist-upgrade, then change sources from wheezy to jessie, update and dist-upgrade again. Now, there's almost always something that will require some work during the migration, but that's the basic process that you would follow.

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