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The Running in Software Rendering Mode
I have just installed Linux Mint 17.3 on my Acer Aspire laptop (two days ago) and it is still running in the rendering mode. I found a couple of suggested fixes that are not working for me.The included caution regarding using it (troubleshooting only) imply that it may be damaging is a serious concern to me. It appears that the problem with it (SIS M760GX) have been ongoing for 2 or 3 years. Is there a solution I have not yet discovered.
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Are you running the Cinnamon DE? The situation you are describing arises when running Cinnamon on a system, like my ancient HP s3707c, with (by today's standards) graphically-challenged hardware. If you find that situation unacceptable, you should switch to a less-demanding GUI. I recommend Mate.
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jspnow@hughes.net,
Welcome to LQ. It is probably a good idea to choose another username unless you like receiving spam emails. You should be able to run a screen resolution of 1024 x 768 using Ubuntu MATE 14.04/16.04: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/set-...-10-16-04/3553 |
Rock Doctor and Beach boy
Thanks for the replies.
Rock: I prefer finding a solution allowing me to continue using Cinn. I am on an Acer Aspire (2006). When I installed Linux everything on the hard drive was erased in the formatting. My hard drive had been set by Acer to have two partitions on the drive. The D contained the Acer data, etc. I do not know how removing the Acer specifics would affect the computer and its hardware, etc. What do you think about that? Beach Boy: I would like to change the user name but did not see the option when I looked in My Profile. Both: I am and will continue to seek a solution, and also think about whether to move to Mate. |
jspnow@hughes.net,
Software rendering problems often arise with using Cinnamon and, generally speaking, it is advisable to use MATE or Xfce instead. There is no need to do a fresh installation. See post #4: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ng-4175571860/ |
jspnow:
Your Acer recovery partition is probably gone. I've got an Acer Aspire One ZG5 netbook from 2008 (Atom N270, 1GB RAM) on which I run currently a Mate DE. LXDE and XFCE work well, as did Gnome2 in it's day. If you really want to try to get XP back (that second partition was probably a recovery partition), I have an "Unofficial Aspire_One_XP_Recovery_Disc.iso" sitting on the HDD of my desktop PC. No guarantees it'll work on your Aspire, but I'd be happy to send you a copy |
Wanting XP back,
No, I don't want xp back. My question was asked because I was wandering if, by the removal of AcerD, The Linux program installation failed to detect certain needs for the machine. Such as the WIFI system, or the SIS m760GX graphics driver. Also, I have the original setup CD's if I were to roll back. Thanks for the offer though.
Is it feasible to have my Windows 10 desktop and my Acer Linux on the same network? Thanks for your time and effort to assist in these matters. |
Happy to see you don't want XP back :) Thought I'd offer just in case. The Acer partition (or lack thereof) would not negatively affect the installation of Linux.
Having a diverse set of OSs on your network should be no problem. My network includes multibooting machines that run (or have run) the following OSs: XP, Vista, Win 7, Win 8, Win 10, various versions of Fedora, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Puppy Linux, PCLinuxOS, and a few others. To see which video driver your system is using, open a terminal window and type Code:
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very frustrating thus far.
What are the dangers of running in software rendering mode? It is working but slow thus far.
The video card is SIS M760GX. I had the wifi working until this afternoon. First it would not allow me to switch between the connection to the internet and the connection direct to my printer. Now I do not have wifi at all. I used Software Manager to install bcmwl-kernel-source and that is when I lost wifi. I have tried to find a way to uninstall that without success. Thanks for helping. |
jspnow@hughes.net,
With regard to changing your username, you need to go to the LQ Home page: http://www.linuxquestions.org/ Scroll to the bottom and click on Contact Us. Which model of Acer laptop are you using? How much RAM? Which CPU? |
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Just as a suggestion, you might want to change your username using the instructions at the top of the page here, lest your email inbox ends up with a boatload of SPAM in the very near future. ;) Unfortunately, SiS and Broadcom chips can be very difficult to get working correctly in Linux. SiS is not well supported at all. In addition to what beachboy2 has requested, please attach an ethernet cord from your modem or router to your laptop, if you haven't already, and then open a terminal and post the entire results of these commands... Code:
lspci -nnkCode:
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iwconfigCode:
rfkill listRegards... |
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Thanks to beachboy and Ardvark71. I have requested the 'user name' change.
Below are the requested data regarding my problems: cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ lspci -nnk 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 760/M760 Host [1039:0760] (rev 03) Kernel driver in use: agpgart-amd64 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AGP Port (virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge) [1039:0002] 00:02.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS963 [MuTIOL Media IO] LPC Controller [1039:0963] (rev 25) 00:02.1 SMBus [0c05]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS961/2/3 SMBus controller [1039:0016] Kernel driver in use: sis96x_smbus 00:02.5 IDE interface [0101]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 IDE Controller [1039:5513] Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: pata_sis 00:02.6 Modem [0703]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Modem Controller [1039:7013] (rev a0) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller [1039:7012] (rev a0) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: snd_intel8x0 00:03.0 USB controller [0c03]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.1 Controller [1039:7001] (rev 0f) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci 00:03.1 USB controller [0c03]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.1 Controller [1039:7001] (rev 0f) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci 00:03.2 USB controller [0c03]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller [1039:7002] Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci 00:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet [1039:0900] (rev 91) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: sis900 00:06.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller [104c:ac50] (rev 02) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus 00:0b.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02) Subsystem: AMBIT Microsystem Corp. TravelMate 2410 [1468:0312] Kernel driver in use: wl 00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration [1022:1100] 00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map [1022:1101] 00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller [1022:1102] 00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1103] Kernel driver in use: k8temp 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6330] Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0083] cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ lsmod Module Size Used by wl 6148096 1 bnep 20480 2 rfcomm 61440 0 bluetooth 430080 10 bnep,rfcomm snd_intel8x0 40960 2 snd_ac97_codec 106496 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 16384 1 snd_ac97_codec hid_logitech_hidpp 20480 0 snd_pcm 94208 2 snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0 snd_seq_midi 16384 0 snd_seq_midi_event 16384 1 snd_seq_midi binfmt_misc 20480 1 snd_rawmidi 28672 1 snd_seq_midi pcmcia 53248 0 snd_seq 57344 2 snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi joydev 20480 0 serio_raw 16384 0 dm_multipath 24576 0 snd_seq_device 16384 3 snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_midi snd_timer 28672 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq scsi_dh 16384 1 dm_multipath yenta_socket 40960 0 cfg80211 450560 1 wl edac_core 49152 0 snd 69632 11 snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device edac_mce_amd 24576 0 k8temp 16384 0 pcmcia_rsrc 20480 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 24576 3 pcmcia,pcmcia_rsrc,yenta_socket soundcore 16384 1 snd i2c_sis96x 16384 0 shpchp 32768 0 mac_hid 16384 0 parport_pc 32768 0 ppdev 20480 0 lp 16384 0 parport 40960 3 lp,ppdev,parport_pc xts 16384 1 gf128mul 16384 1 xts dm_crypt 24576 1 dm_mirror 24576 0 dm_region_hash 20480 1 dm_mirror dm_log 20480 2 dm_region_hash,dm_mirror hid_logitech_dj 20480 0 hid_generic 16384 0 usbhid 49152 0 hid 98304 4 hid_generic,usbhid,hid_logitech_dj,hid_logitech_hidpp psmouse 102400 0 sis900 28672 0 mii 16384 1 sis900 pata_acpi 16384 0 cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ rfkill list cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ rfkill list cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ |
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Whoops, you're using the wrong driver for this adapter. Please see here on how to correct this. :) Quote:
EDIT: If you would, please install "inxi" using this command... Code:
sudo apt-get install inxiCode:
inxi -FxzCode:
sudo lshw -C videoI also found this thread, which might be helpful. I saw this article, too. Unfortunately, you don't have the same graphics chip so it may not work for you. :( Regards... |
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Here is the data. I have not done the other yet. Thanks
cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ sudo apt-get install inxi [sudo] password for cusfo: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done inxi is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ inxi -Fxz System: Host: Aspire-3000 Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.8.2) Desktop: Cinnamon 2.8.8 (Gtk 3.10.8~8+qiana) Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa Machine: System: Acer product: Aspire 3000 Mobo: Acer model: Lugano M Bios: Acer v: 3A27 date: 08/24/05 CPU: Single core Mobile AMD Sempron 3100+ (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 1600 speed/max: 800/1800 MHz Graphics: Card: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter bus-ID: 01:00.0 Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: fbdev (unloaded: vesa) Resolution: 1024x768@76.0hz GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.6, 128 bits) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.9 Direct Rendering: Yes Audio: Card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: 1400 1c80 bus-ID: 00:02.7 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic Network: Card-1: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet driver: sis900 port: 1800 bus-ID: 00:04.0 IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> Card-2: Broadcom BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller driver: wl bus-ID: 00:0b.0 IF: N/A state: N/A mac: N/A Drives: HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (11.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: HTS421260H9AT00 size: 60.0GB temp: 33C Partition: ID-1: / size: 53G used: 4.8G (10%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 ID-2: /boot size: 236M used: 46M (21%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sda1 ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.08GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2 RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: N/A Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A Info: Processes: 146 Uptime: 4:14 Memory: 719.4/1950.2MB Init: Upstart runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4 Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.2.28 cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ sudo lshw -C video *-display UNCLAIMED description: VGA compatible controller product: 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter vendor: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pm agp agp-3.0 vga_controller cap_list configuration: latency=0 resources: memory:e8000000-efffffff memory:e2100000-e211ffff ioport:a000(size=128) cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ I did the wifi solution and it is now working as before. The link regarding the rendering problem was informative, amd prompts me to say that according to the Acer User Guide my SIS m760GX has integrated 3D graphics. Thanks again. And He is risen indeed! |
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The strange thing is that, from your report, you're using the "fbdev" driver, not the "sis," as shown in the thread I linked to. The only difference I see is that your xorg version is 1.17.1 and his was 1.15.1. I wonder if that would make a difference? It might be worth experimenting by trying the version of Mint that uses the 1.15.1 Xorg version. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. :( Regards... |
Responding with question and wifi problem
First, the question regarding the 'rendering' problem. When I query the 'display' app. it only sees one monitor. I have two, the laptop monitor and a Sanyo TV/PC. When I first installed the OS I was connected to the laptop only. Later I hooked up the Sanyo and it used and uses it without a problem. When checking 'display' the only difference in the info is to show 1024/768, as opposed to 640/?(I am not sure). For either 4:3 as well. It still only shows the one monitor and identifies it as Laptop.
Second, Should I be able to switch from one WIFI connection to another as needed. I am connected to the Netgear router for the internet, and I have a connection set up to connect directly to my Epson WF 3640 printer also. The initial connection was made when I set it from the printer. But I do not get an option to connect to it in "network connections' Thanks for your assistance. What(oops) is involved in going to the earlier version of Linux? |
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I'm wondering if your system is booting up with nomodeset (or another parameter that forces use of the vesa driver, something like vga=xxx) being passed to the kernel. To check, take a look at the output from
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Living in Him
I appreciate all the help you have been. The situation gets worse by the day and I decided yesterday to leave Linux and reinstall Windows XP on the Acer. That is proving as difficult as everything else has been. I have ordered 'gparted' and will try that.
With best regards, respect and appreciation for your testimony. Ardvark71 RockDoctor beachboy |
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You're welcome, although I'm curious how things are getting worse. I do understand, as Linux is probably not the best substitute for this particular system, considering the graphics chip. One thing you should be aware of is that is won't be too much longer before Windows XP is no longer supported by any software company. That will mean no antivirus or anti-malware programs as an example, leaving you vulnerable to the malware that's out there. This is not including the fact that Microsoft has not been issuing security updates for the OS for over two years now, so there will be additional vulnerabilities to exploits. You might be better off buying a new or newer used computer running at least Windows 7. If you want to try something that's exclusively Linux, you can purchase a system through an outfit like ZaReason, EmperorLinux, or System76. :) Quote:
If you want to stick with Windows XP and you're having difficulties getting it reinstalled, another option is to have a local computer repair shop or technician perform this for you. God bless... |
Greetings,
By worse I mean that the wireless problem resurfaced within hours. When the wireless option has functioned it does not allow for switching between wireless for the internet and wireless for the printer. The shut down problem did not go away as I had hoped and has become more of a problem. It would shut down except for turning off the computer, but now does not exit completely from the Linux software. The gparted utility did not work for me after I had downloaded it and burned it to a cd. So I ordered a copy from OSDisk.com. I had ordered the cd's for the Linux Mint installation from them as well. Very inexpensive and the charge is for the service, not for the utilities themselves. I was using Panda antivirus free, but I do not know how much longer they may protect XP. I have considered buying a new laptop and will check out the links you suggest as well. Blessed be the name of the Lord |
RockDoctor,delayed response
I just realized I did not deal with yours from yesterday.
I ran the command now and I am not getting it to properly respond. When I enter the command it requests my password. I then enter the password and it responds by giving me a new command line. This is the first time for this bug. |
Sorry it's not working for you. If you're willing to continue experimenting with Linux, I strongly recommend running your distro of choice from a live USB flash drive or DVD prior to installing, to ensure that graphics and wifi are working as they should. I also think any of Mate, XFCE, or LXDE would be a better choice for a desktop environment given your hardware. I'll even make a couple of distro recommendations: Ubuntu 16.04, and Fedora 24 (when it comes out, which should be in the next few weeks). In the past, I've found that sometimes Fedora works when Ubuntu doesn't, and vice-versa. Whatever you decide, good luck.
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Take a look at this
RockDoctor, I tried that command again and it ran. nomode...shows up at the end. Here is what I got:
cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep vmlin [sudo] password for cusfo: linux /vmlinuz-3.19.0-32-generic root=/dev/mapper/mint--vg-root ro quiet splash $vt_handoff linux /vmlinuz-3.19.0-32-generic root=/dev/mapper/mint--vg-root ro quiet splash $vt_handoff linux /vmlinuz-3.19.0-32-generic root=/dev/mapper/mint--vg-root ro recovery nomodeset cusfo@Aspire-3000 ~ $ After a brief respite, I am trying to get this working. I got the wifi back up, though it still does not allow me to move from a direct connect to the internet to a direct connect to my printer. |
Is there a list of definitions of Linux lingo (i.e.a distro is ...)?
I would like a clearer understanding of the results of switching to a Mate desktop or other alternative. |
The only kernel hits I'm getting for a gpu like that is sisfb.ko and sis_drm.ko. Both of which are missing from your lsmod output. So I googled and it seems there is (or was) a sis671_drv.so driver for xorg, but it seems 32 bit ONLY??? I'm not finding it at all in debian stable (jessie), but it's a 64 bit install. There appears to be a github for that driver, kind of, more of a repo of old .deb's and scripts and probably not what you need.
Modinfo on sisfb lists 76x, so perhaps. It probably got merged in and generic-ized. # modinfo sisfb maybe adding sisfb to /etc/modules will get the X environment you need. Or modprobing it before starting X. In addition to having the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev package equivalent for your distro installed. If you don't get the resolution you want when X starts, try using xrandr to adjust it. There's also a scalelcd parm for sisfb that might yield the desired results. Easier said than done. |
Doesn't look like the kernel is booting with nomodeset, so that's not what's causing your system to run in software rendering mode.
In the Microsoft world, you have lots of versions, (Win 8, Win 8.1, Win 10, Win 10 Pro, etc...) but just one vendor, and one desktop environment per major version. Think of each as a distribution (distro). In the Linux world, we have multiple vendors, multiple versions, and multiple desktop environments (default apps and overall look and feel). I don't know of a definitive resource that will truly explain the differences between the different desktop environments. However, I will say that the appearance and operation of my desktop under Mate is very close to what it was under Cinnamon, but the demand on my CPU and graphics hardware is much less. |
Regarding WIFI, and trying a different version of Mint
My WIFI continues to work for my internet connection only. I need to get it to work for my printer as well. The printer connection appears in the 'network connections' window, but there is no connect button to it.
Solution number 2 in the link you sent me to had me do a purge first Then it said to do this: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer That did not work and I then tried: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer That is when I got back to connecting to the internet, but still no connecting to the printer. As to the different version of Mint, I have no idea how to do that. I tried to get and install the Mate DE but it did not happen, and said something had gone wrong and to try later. I have not at this point. I was using the 'software manager' for that Thanks |
WIFI and the Printer
Last night I decided to pursue linking my printer to a network via the Netgear router. That worked and I now have access to the internet and the printer using the same connection. I am living and learning.
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Shell into software rendering mode
I am not trying to fix "running in software rendering mode." I am looking for an answer to go into software rendering mode from shell. What command do I use to change into software rendering mode?
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