task bar and systme trey in KDE
 

is there any way to make a program show up in the system trey instead of the task bar using KDE? (im thinking XMMS and Gaim here, gaim has a plugin to make it show up in the system trey but its still in the task bar as well)

Appearing in the tray is usually up to the program. IceWM lets you minimize any program to the tray, but the icons it makes just acts like a regular minimized app, except smaller.