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Old 04-24-2006, 12:34 AM   #1
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Suse Partition Problems


Hello Everyone im new to linux in every way and form. Latly i wanted to install Suse 10 and I would be trying to do it on my Acer 5670 Laptop and Dual boot between XP pro sp2 and Suse 10. But everytime i try to get suse to install it wants to erase my windows partition and by the looks of it doesnteven know its a windows partition. I have tryed using partition Magic and Boot magic to install it and it still does the samething makine me install home then install the acer recovery disc so that way i have XP Pro. I did at one time get it to install but it still wiped out my windows partition. I liek Suse 10 over windows but i wont use it if i cant dual boto between them due to i use windows for Games and other Win Apps.

So is this a bug or did i dl the wrong Suse? Should i try a diffrent Linux version such at Mandrake or Fredora?

Pls Help, Thanks in advance Cwood06
 
Old 04-24-2006, 01:09 AM   #2
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You need windows only for games you have already purchased, and for the licence that lets you (legally) use windows formats and fonts. All the apps have as-good or better versions in Open Source. (However, while you are getting used to SuSE, it is nice to have a fallback.)

You understand how it is supposed to go: at some point in the installation process you get to where you specify your partitions. YaST should detect your partitions and list them for you. What does it say? (Quote exactly.)

Around about the same place, you can tell YaST where to put SuSE (presumably in existing empty space - reccommended). You have to tell it to leave the windows partitions alone (there are usually two or three on Acer laptops).

It looks like you just keep missing the option in the installer.

For alternate linuxes:
http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
 
Old 04-24-2006, 01:37 AM   #3
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If you use the expert partitioning option, you can resize the NTFS partition. I've done it successfully on my laptop. However it is a good idea to defrag the drive first, and to backup anything important first.

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Old 04-24-2006, 07:36 AM   #4
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I uslly get Linux native FS for my windows partition and if i use partition magic is syas the same for the partition i install ex2 or ex3 with partition magic and if i try to get back into windows i cant get it to boot up so i have to use my home cd from my first build then use acer recovery disc which means i have one big 111 gig partition in fat 32. I also have gotten errors for the boot loader for the Grub and if i prompt for Lilo sometimes that works but ut wont boot up linux. If i did something wrong can somone point me to a good Suse 10 Dual booting tut?

I dont really care whats on this laptop cause its really just a client to my desktop i stream all my music and movies on here and i baught all my games so there on disc.

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Old 04-24-2006, 08:29 AM   #5
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OK - your windows partition should be reading as vfat in YaST, and in partition magic. You can check during the install process: when the first graphical screen comes up (language selection) press ctrl-alt-F2 and the screen goes black with a prompt. Enter "fdisk -l" at the prompt and tell us what it says.

It is starting to sound like the yast partition table may be worthless ... if so, see the first link (below).

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i install ex2 or ex3 with partition magic
... do not do this.

1. defrag windows. (should be quick - it's a fresh install).
2. resize the windows FAT32 partition using partition magic - you don't need much more than 3-4Gb. Leave the rest of the disk blank.

3. Boot from SUSE disk, and commence installation.
3.1 when it gets to the partitioning stage, tell it to install suse to the available free space.
3.2 when it gets to the bootloader setup: select GRUB, and put it in the master boot record.

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can somone point me to a good Suse 10 Dual booting tut?
I havn't found one - they are all insanely complicated. You could try:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Partitioning_for_SuSE_Linux
http://www.novell.com/documentation/...se10_start.pdf
http://www.novell.com/documentation/...suse10_ref.pdf

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Old 04-24-2006, 08:35 AM   #6
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But everytime i try to get suse to install it wants to erase my windows partition and by the looks of it doesnteven know its a windows partition. I have tryed using partition Magic and Boot magic to install it and it still does the samething makine me install home then install the acer recovery disc so that way i have XP Pro.
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so i have to use my home cd from my first build then use acer recovery disc which means i have one big 111 gig partition in fat 32.
The above suggests, all that you have got is a big 111GB partition on the HD. In other words, you've one partition on the HD et al. When you try to install linux, setup asks you if you want to erase Windoz, because linux needs its own partition and it can't find a free partition. Installing Windoz using restore CD, takes you back to the setup where you have one 111GB partition, because that is how the restore CD is setup to work and you can't change it.

A work around would be to install Windoz first and then immediately resize the partition using a partitioning tool. If I remember it right, SuSE installation program should give you this option. Resize the partition to whatever you desire or have on your mind. After the resizing, proceed with the installation and point it to the second partition or the remaining space depending on whether the resizing tool creted a 2nd partition after resizing or not.
 
Old 04-24-2006, 10:11 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Simon Bridge
OK - your windows partition should be reading as vfat in YaST, and in partition magic. You can check during the install process: when the first graphical screen comes up (language selection) press ctrl-alt-F2 and the screen goes black with a prompt. Enter "fdisk -l" at the prompt and tell us what it says.

It is starting to sound like the yast partition table may be worthless ... if so, see the first link (below).

... do not do this.

1. defrag windows. (should be quick - it's a fresh install).
2. resize the windows FAT32 partition using partition magic - you don't need much more than 3-4Gb. Leave the rest of the disk blank.

3. Boot from SUSE disk, and commence installation.
3.1 when it gets to the partitioning stage, tell it to install suse to the available free space.
3.2 when it gets to the bootloader setup: select GRUB, and put it in the master boot record.

I havn't found one - they are all insanely complicated. You could try:

Ill try this when i get home. If that doesnt work ill post on it and try some of the other things here thanks guys TT in a bit
 
Old 04-24-2006, 03:37 PM   #8
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when you mean the MBR where should i oput it at ?

Should it put it at the disk spot 0 0 0 or put it at where im installing linux?

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Old 04-24-2006, 04:58 PM   #9
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ok it does see my fat32 partition using fdisk -l os thats good but once i get into it it says i cant use thsi disk or some reson and when i do ctrl alt f2 i get /dev/sda1 system: EFI GPT and now i cant boot back into windows and im abck to point 1 agine

It also wants to use my 90 gig partition for swap.
 
Old 04-24-2006, 11:30 PM   #10
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it seams that it does the same when i try load up Gentoo ; ; so whats up? I think itsm y hard drive in my Acer 5672 its a SATA 5400 rpm 120 gig hd isthat the problem? It seams im giving up on linux for now. Unless someone can help me out
 
Old 04-25-2006, 12:54 AM   #11
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when you mean the MBR where should i oput it at ?
You'll see an option in the install process asking you where you want grub to go. One of the possibilities will actually be called: MBR (master boot record - usually designated hda0)

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ok it does see my fat32 partition using fdisk -l os thats good but once i get into it it says i cant use thsi disk or some reson and when i do ctrl alt f2 i get /dev/sda1 system: EFI GPT and now i cant boot back into windows and im abck to point 1 agine
I had hoped that you would copy down the exact list and type it in here. fdisk -l should have seen the fat32 (vfat) partition occupying only a part of the drive. The rest should have been unformatted. Is this what you saw?

You won't be able to cd into the partition because it is not yet mounted. That happens later. I don't understand the rest of your post - you did ctrl-alt-f2 at the first graphical install screen - i.e. before you installed anything? You seem to be getting ahead of yourself here.

What happened when you got to step 3.1? Did you see the option to install to available free space?
(I'm trying to go through this a bit at a time so I can understand what you are looking at.)

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I think itsm y hard drive in my Acer 5672 its a SATA 5400 rpm 120 gig hd isthat the problem? It seams im giving up on linux for now. Unless someone can help me out
It is unlikely to be your sata drive. Though these have been trouble in the past, current kernels support them. That you can install to this drive suggests it is not the drives fault. I sounds more to me like you're getting confused.

Your only issue has been that the installer seems to keep overwriting your windows partition. It shouldn't do this.

As for giving up: that's your option. However, there is another solution... why not just install linux to the whole machine? Tell me what you think you need windows for and I'll tell you why you don't.

If it dosn't work out - hey: you can always reinstall windows

Oh - and then there's always fedora core ... this also has a graphical installer which is much much clearer than YaST. All the options are spelled out with a help-pane to guide you. You may find this less confusing.
 
Old 04-25-2006, 09:06 AM   #12
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i found a foum on ubuntu on my laptop and they seam to have no troubles installing Ubuntu and Dual Booting.

As for what i use windows for mostly AIM , Firefox, RF Online , FPS such as Half Life 2, Quake 4, other FPS's. IF you want when i get home i can do it agine just means i got to reinstall windows.

It said on the fdisk -l that it was a win95 Fat befor i went into the partitioning section of Suse Then once i got into there and i did fdisk -l it told me it was EFI GPT. IT also marked my partitons red and said i couldnt accesse my hard drive. I get a Error in Yast but i got ride of suse install disc cause i got frustrated with it. But i can re download it later on a torrent or such.
 
Old 04-25-2006, 11:01 AM   #13
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i found a foum on ubuntu on my laptop and they seam to have no troubles installing Ubuntu and Dual Booting.
Since you got rid of the SUSE install disk - don't bother getting it again.
I was going to suggest you use the advanced options ... bearing in mind that the bits of your disk you want to manipulate are not partitioned!

I'd suggest you download Ubuntu. (Try out the live version if you want to see what it is like without risking messing up your windows install.)

The live startup is simple enough - just follow our nose, there is no partitioning involved or anything technical beyond choosing your keyboard type.

The first step in a full install is the same (for dual boot) as before - make empty space on your hard-disk. The unformatted, unpartitioned, part is where you will be installing.

Ubuntu install is non-graphical - you have to read the screen carefully. It'll feel funny at first. You want the default install to the available free space. (This should give you two partitions: root and swap - swap need not be bigger than 512Mb)

That's the only hard part.

Post install comes from:
http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/

... because you'll probably want to be able to play mp3s etc.

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As for what i use windows for mostly AIM , Firefox, RF Online , FPS such as Half Life 2, Quake 4, other FPS's. IF you want when i get home i can do it agine just means i got to reinstall windows.
Lets see:
AIM = GAIM (already in box)
Firefox: well linux is firefoxes native environment - comes with.
RF Online: the client runs under cedega

I think halflife and quake have been ported to linux, I know doom has. There are also open source MMORPG and FPS games around, as well as toolkits to make your own.

Soo... what did you need windows for?
 
Old 04-25-2006, 02:12 PM   #14
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Im Downloading ubuntu right now on DVD then il ltry that today after school. For the partitioning part hopefulyl this version of Linux will let me use my hardrive on first boot and let me manipulate it. Ill ise partition magic to unallocate soem disc space on the begining of my acer partition. Then ill try to install the boot loader on the MBR. And pray it works and dosnt delete my partition or change it to the other format.

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Soo... what did you need windows for?
Thats kinda funney, so how would i do it if i got Linux to install and run.

Gett RF Online to install and run. It also looks like ill need to learn how to install my ATI Mobility readeo X1400 driver i also hope my wireless works so i can get all the updates and tel lyou guys everything works since you have helped me alot ^.^

Also if you want i can give you my AIM name and you can help walk me though this since i am a :-P

Im in EST FYI

Thanks Again
 
Old 04-25-2006, 08:33 PM   #15
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Ill ise partition magic to unallocate soem disc space on the begining of my acer partition.
... that won't work. You need unallocated disk space which is not on any partition.

If I remember my ACER correctly, you get an acer partition, a windows recovery partition and your main windows partition. I think mine was something like this

win recover 1st 5k
acer next Mb or so
windows rest of (30Gb) drive

You need to repartition so that you have:

win recover and acer partition at the start
windows C: drive: 5Gb
empty, unpartitioned, space: rest of the drive

To do this, you have to use partition magic to resize the windows C: drive partition.

A linux-only box would simply delete the C: drive partition but leave the others.


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