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Old 11-13-2004, 03:36 PM   #1
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SuSE 9.2 PRO available for download


I've seen a number of links to downloading the full Pro version of SuSE 9.2 on various forums on the net.

My question is - is this legal? I guess I'm still unsure about what the open source license really means. Is it perfectly reasonable for someone to post this distribution somewhere like ed2k or bittorrent?
 
Old 11-13-2004, 04:06 PM   #2
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You can download the full Pro version from SuSE's FTP server: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/ It's not an ISO, however.
The thing is that GPL forces to provide sources of the software, it doesn't force to provide ISOs.
 
Old 11-13-2004, 04:35 PM   #3
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i see. Well I checked the link you posted but it was still on 9.1. I looked in the 9.2 section and it wasn't there; just a few components.

I also read they were not going to release 9.2 personal edition either, just pro???

Anyway - if you are looking for the ISO's for 9.2 Pro, you can

[Mod-edit]link removed
To the best of my knowledge it's not OK
with SuSE to distribute their distro like this.
The FTP install that Mara pointed out is the
legal way of a download ...
[/Mod-edit]



Last edited by Tinkster; 11-14-2004 at 01:04 AM.
 
Old 11-13-2004, 05:45 PM   #4
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Thanks a lot, I've been looking for 2 weeks for these torrents and I've found only cd1 + cd2

I don't understand why there are only src.rpm packages on their ftp server,
it seems that novell won't release suse 9.2 via ftp !
 
Old 11-13-2004, 05:52 PM   #5
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they will release it but usually a month or so after the initial release of the packaged versions.
 
Old 11-13-2004, 08:38 PM   #6
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brilliant

thanks for that bittorent Tester12

I have been having the same problems as you. I downloaded suse 9.1 personal but wanted iso's for professional.
 
Old 11-14-2004, 01:06 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tester12

Anyway - if you are looking for the ISO's for 9.2 Pro, you can


[Mod-edit]link removed
[/Mod-edit]
That's a NO-NO, and I fixed the post. Please,
don't start that kind of stuff here.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-14-2004, 01:13 PM   #8
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tester12

To the best of my knowledge it's not OK
with SuSE to distribute their distro like this.
The FTP install that Mara pointed out is the
legal way of a download ...
[/Mod-edit]
I have been doing some reading on this and actually, me posting a link to a torrent, offering you a free download is not illegal. However, if I were to sell you SuSE 9.2 Pro, then that would be illegal.

I can understand why suse don't want everyone downloading the software free though ...
 
Old 11-14-2004, 01:18 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tester12


[Mod-edit]link removed
To the best of my knowledge it's not OK
with SuSE to distribute their distro like this.
The FTP install that Mara pointed out is the
legal way of a download ...
[/Mod-edit] [/B]
Torrents are legal too, because you don't get a support key automatically when you get isos. The support key and printed handbooks is actually what you pay for when buying pro version. So sharing the support key is illegal, but NOT the isos - as long as software on the CDs is free software (and since 9.1 it is), according to GPL, Suse can't take away users' rights to redistribute isos, although suse itself has the right not to provide isos for free.

But posting such links on lq - that's another question...
 
Old 11-17-2004, 02:05 PM   #10
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so is SuSE 9.2 going to be available for download?
 
Old 11-17-2004, 02:16 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by leadazide
...Suse can't take away users' rights to redistribute isos...
Not sure about this! If you rip the original (bought) SuSE CD's to an ISO, the ISO contains software that is not under GPL! And the distribution is therefore illegal. If you download the FTP version when it becomes available (where SuSE has removed those packages) and create ISO's from that, the distribution might be OK, I don't know.

If providing the link is illegal, I don't know either, but it might be considered immoral.

EDIT:

Quote:
so is SuSE 9.2 going to be available for download?
Yes, see Mara's link in post#2.

Last edited by abisko00; 11-17-2004 at 02:17 PM.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 02:20 PM   #12
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Either way, for the £60 I think it is probably worth buying. Soon as I save enough pennies, I'm going to buy the full edition.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 04:39 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally posted by abisko00
[B]Not sure about this! If you rip the original (bought) SuSE CD's to an ISO, the ISO contains software that is not under GPL! And the distribution is therefore illegal.
[...]
Ok, suse included 3 commercial progz on cd 5 in 9.1 afaik - textmaker & planmaker - a text editor which no one needs because of OOo, Koffice etc. and something else - dunno what

But 1) are these programs included in suse 9.2?


2) does their license which is included on cd, (not usual license!) explicitly prohibits redistribution of the cd?

I think not.

and there's nothing immoral
it's just as immoral as providing slackware isos for dl
 
Old 11-18-2004, 03:27 AM   #14
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But 1) are these programs included in suse 9.2?
Most likely, since there have always been commercial packages included. But maybe someone who bought 9.2 could answer this question.

Quote:
2) does their license which is included on cd, (not usual license!) explicitly prohibits redistribution of the cd?

I think not.
But here you are wrong! Since your signature locates you in germany, you'll probably understand this:

http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/...cht/recht.html

Quote:
and there's nothing immoral
it's just as immoral as providing slackware isos for dl
I disagree! Since slackware distribution is not illegal, there is a clear difference.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 03:48 PM   #15
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from
http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/...cht/recht.html
>>Sie müssen also die Lizenzen der einzelnen Programmpakete lesen und beachten.

(You should read and consider the licenses of each package)

>>darauf weist die Firma in der Datei »COPYRIGHT.de« auf den Installationsmedien auch selbst hin.

(it's claimed in COPYRIGHT.de file)



COPYRIGHT.de DOES NOT claim explicitly that copying of CDs is prohibited.

The licenses of commercial packages at least in my 9.0 do NOT explicitly prohibit the copying of the media the packages are on.



Quote:
I disagree! Since slackware distribution is not illegal, there is a clear difference.
The 'immorality' is about the distribution of the FTP packages.


To those who want to redistribute CDs:
If you're unsure about commercial packages, why not to burn the CD 5 without them?
 
  


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