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Old 05-04-2003, 11:09 AM   #1
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ok, super newbie here w/ a few questions, I already looked at tutorials for the answers to these questions, found nothing

1: most popular and commericial programs offer both Win and Mac installations, using Nix which one would I choose?

2: looking to build/host/maintain CS server, ASP/Mandrake/Red Hat is any one better/preffered? which offers the best security? best version of X windows?

3: considering dual boot, would it be easier to install both OSes @ once and decide to stay w/ just Nix of try just Nix first and THEN decide to go dual?

4: what hardware NEEDS nix drivers? only the video card? ATI offers cards for Wins and Macs, again, which one would run w/ Nix?

5: can a motherboard run @ a faster frequency than its CPU?

6: can a CPU run @ a faster frequency than its motherboard?

7: do AMD CPUs work well w/ NIX?

8: seriously considering Athlon XP 2500 (1.83GHz, 512KB, 333MHz, Socket A) or Thoroughbred-B Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0GHz, 384 KB, 266MHz, Socket A), A7N8X Deluxe nForce2 333MHz motherboard, 1024 DDR PC 400, 60 or 80 GB Cavair (WD) hard drive, no sound card because mb has a good built-in one, Sony 16x/40x DVD CD drive, any monitor, any printer, and undecided on videocard but it will be ATI - any recomendations, suggestions, or pitfalls to watch out for? Is all of this hardware compatible w/ Nix?


thank you, i really appreciate it
 
Old 05-04-2003, 11:22 AM   #2
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1) Neither.
2) RedHat has a broken GCC compiler, and you'd probably want to compile things from source to have a faster server. You want ASP pages?
3) What are your OS choices?
4) Find the linux ones
5) Wha? They're difference devices, what speeds are you refering too? Bus?
6) ''
7)Yes. Better than Intel
8) Quickly skimmed it... good built in sound?
nVidia is more supported than ATI I think.
Monitor and more so printer may have the most hardware compatability probls, if any.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 11:25 AM   #3
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1. Neither Win is for Windows, Mac is for Mac. *nix drivers work for *nix
2. Red Hat is good - but look at what's offered and match it with your needs
3. If you want to dual boot, install Windows first. Install Linux and Windows on seperate partitions
4. If you want to run anything in Linux it needs a Linux driver. Don't entirely understand the question.
5. dunno - probably not
6. see 5
7. Yes
8. No suggestions all sounds good.

To be perfectly frank, if you had searched before posting you could have found out all of this. This forum has thousands of questions and answers on it.

Welcome to the board.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 11:36 AM   #4
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Remember if an app is only available for windows you can try WINE which is a windows emulator ("trys" to get windows apps to run on linux).

As for dual booting - stick to seperate HDDs if you can. It saves a lot of problems if you are dualbooting with windows - when you install an OS just remove the other drive and you are not in any danger of overwriting bootloaders or other partitions. I'm not saying not to do it on one drive - I just think 2 is easer.


As for drivers - if your hardware is not brand new there is a fair chance that it will be OK. Check the hardware compatability lists for the distro you are intending to use. One thing to remember is that if you are using a winmodem it will not work under linux - you will need a hardware modem for linux.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 11:41 AM   #5
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Wine is not a Windows emulator

Why remove the other drive when installing? Mandrake at least is fine at detecting other OSs and setting up the bootloader for them, no need to hack it all together afterwards.

New distro + older hardware + linux (unofficial) drivers = kickass
You can get unofficial drivers with slightly less features for linux modems etc.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 12:06 PM   #6
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Why remove the other drive when installing? Mandrake at least is fine at detecting other OSs and setting up the bootloader for them, no need to hack it all together afterwards.
Lets just say I had a friend who asked my why he couldn;t boot windows 98 after installing windows 2000. I don't think they got the idea about one os on one partition.

If you try this with linux you won't even keep your data because the partition will be formatted as ext3 (or similar). I don't mean totally remove it - just unplug the ide cable. I'm also not sure about people understanding the naming of drives in linux - ie where should they install - hda or hdb? If you only have one drive in you can't get it wrong (unless you disconnect the wrong one )

It is also a fallback for bootloaders. If you have never used linux and you boot for the first time and get a kernel panic the chances are you'll want some help. Unfortunately though you will have overwritten the windows mbr so how do you get online to ask for help? Unless you have antother machine etc but not many average users do.

Sorry a45b22chp - I'm not trying to scare you I'm just trying to give you some preinstall advice.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 12:43 PM   #7
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Thanx alot. That helps. The question about the hardware should have been what hardware DOSN'T neccissarily have Nix drivers, or is that now a standard? The other question was, is it easier 2 start off dual boot and then decide 2 remove Win or is it easier 2 start off w/ 1 and THEN after awhile decide 2 install Win. I know Win likes to be the first OS in the partition.

This'll be my 2nd machine.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 12:47 PM   #8
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david_ross: Ok, and it's a fair point that unless I think you pick Expert install for Mandrake you cant pick to make a boot floppy disk instead of installing into the Master Boot Record, but really, picking the correct harddrive to install on isnt rocket science.
If they get it wrong, it's time they tried something with a little less hand-holding like that windows install that no longer exists...

Windows goes in it's own seperate partition. It's best to install it first in the first partition of the first harddrive.
Linux often ends up being in at least 2 partitions, often /, /usr and a swap partition.
There are generic drivers for almost all hardware, so it'll probably work ok, and then downloading specific drivers will enable all features or boost performance

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Old 05-04-2003, 01:05 PM   #9
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like Proud says - it is best to install windows then linux since you will have allowed for the partitions from the start - and like you said it is better to install windows first as there is less mucking about with bootloaders (you will just need to add a windows option to grub - I prefer grub to lilo but the choice is yours).

As for hardware - like I said before most older (1 year+) will work with new distros but it is best to check with the hardware lists for that distro. Also check your modem if you have/need one because if it is a winmodem it will not work with linux.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 01:14 PM   #10
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Well what defines a winmodem? Coz my Conexant HCF (partially hardware controlled, though there are software ones too) has drivers for linux but was produced with 'closed source' windows ones.
The linux ones are partially featured, and now that the remains of the company is helping support them, they are almost as good as the windows ones. I think I'm getting a better connection in linux, but it may be due to kernel, pppd and mozilla speeds

Research online for each piece of hardware, and if you find no problems posted, it should work fine.
 
Old 05-04-2003, 05:38 PM   #11
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If it's an external cable modem running into a built in Ethernet card on the nix compatible mb, do i have to worry about the modem? (It's a SURFboard SB3100)
 
Old 05-04-2003, 05:46 PM   #12
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Nope - so long as the ethernet card is supported (most likely will be) then you have nothing to worry about.
 
  


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