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Old 02-24-2008, 10:21 PM   #1
6flagsfan
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Strange problem after updating gnome from a apt mirror


Hi all.
Recently I installed the base system from a Sarge CD and then went on to install X via apt.
Everything went well and I was able to login to my inst.
On reboot it says VideoRAM too low and agpgart module not found.
My dmesg says -
Quote:
Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)) #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005
...
i810: Intel ICH4 found at IO 0xe080 and 0xe400, MEM 0xffa7f800 and 0xffa7f400, IRQ 201
i810: Intel ICH4 mmio at 0xd082f800 and 0xd0891400
i810_audio: Primary codec has ID 2
i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.
i810_audio: Resetting connection 0
i810_audio: Connection 0 with codec id 2
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7650 (Unknown)
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 2 supports AMAP, total channels = 2[/COLOR][/B]...
apm: BIOS not found.
Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jonesapm: BIOS not found.
apm: BIOS not found.
...
My lspci says -
Quote:
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Bridge (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
0000:01:00.0 Modem: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI563 56K Modem
0000:01:01.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86)
0000:01:02.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1904:2031 (rev 01)
My lsmod display agpgart -
Quote:
Module Size Used by
agpgart 31784 0
.
.
i810_audio 33300 0
ac97_codec 16908 1 i810_audio
soundcore 9824 1 i810_audio
via_rhine 19720 0
...
Also my org.log says -
Quote:
X Window System Version 1.3.0
Release Date: 19 April 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2)
Current Operating System: Linux ginie 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686
Build Date: 19 January 2008
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Feb 24 09:56:19 2008
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) | |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
.....
(**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
(II) No APM support in BIOS or kernel
....
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(--) using VT number 7
....
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension SHAPE
(II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
(II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Loading extension SYNC
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XC-MISC
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
(II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(==) AIGLX enabled
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.13.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "xtrap"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libxtrap.so
(II) Module xtrap: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension DEC-XTRAP
(II) LoadModule: "freetype"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//fonts/libfreetype.so
(II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 2.1.0
Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.5
(II) Loading font FreeType
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: "intel"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so
(II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 2.1.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.2
Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so
(II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.1
Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7
(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, 965G, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ,
965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:02:0
(--) Chipset 845G found
.....
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(II) Loading sub module "int10"
(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libint10.so
(II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) Loading sub module "vbe"
(II) LoadModule: "vbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvbe.so
(II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.1.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
(II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so
(II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(==) intel(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
(==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 845G
(--) intel(0): Chipset: "845G"
(--) intel(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xF0000000
(--) intel(0): IO registers at addr 0xFFA80000
(II) intel(0): 1 display pipe available.
(==) intel(0): Using XAA for acceleration
(--) intel(0): Will try to allocate texture pool for old Mesa 3D driver.
(II) intel(0): Will try to reserve 32768 kiB of AGP aperture space
for the DRM memory manager.
(II) Loading sub module "ddc"
(II) LoadModule: "ddc"(II) Module already built-in
(II) Loading sub module "i2c"
(II) LoadModule: "i2c"(II) Module already built-in
(II) intel(0): Output VGA using monitor section Monitor0
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "CRTDDC_A" initialized.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVODDC_D" initialized.
(II) Loading sub module "sil164"
(II) LoadModule: "sil164"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//sil164.so
(II) Module sil164: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" initialized.
(EE) intel(0): detecting sil164
(EE) intel(0): Unable to read from DVOI2C_E Slave 112.
(II) Loading sub module "ch7xxx"
(II) LoadModule: "ch7xxx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//ch7xxx.so
(II) Module ch7xxx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" initialized.
(EE) intel(0): Unable to read from DVOI2C_E Slave 236.
(II) Loading sub module "ivch"
(II) LoadModule: "ivch"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//ivch.so
(II) Module ivch: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_B" initialized.
(EE) intel(0): ivch: Unable to read register 0x00 from DVOI2C_B:04.
(II) Loading sub module "tfp410"
(II) LoadModule: "tfp410"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//tfp410.so
(II) Module tfp410: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_B" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" initialized.
(II) intel(0): detecting tfp410
(EE) intel(0): Unable to read from DVOI2C_E Slave 112.
(EE) intel(0): tfp410 not detected got VID FFFFFFFF: from DVOI2C_E Slave 112.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVOI2C_E" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "DVODDC_D" removed.
(II) intel(0): Output VGA connected
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:ddc2" removed.
(II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "832x624" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1152x768" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1440x900" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1600x1024" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1680x1050" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1920x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1920x1200" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (vrefresh out of range)
(II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output VGA
(II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x800"x60.0 83.46 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 (49.7 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x768"x60.0 80.14 1280 1344 1480 1680 768 769 772 795 (47.7 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Output VGA connected
(II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1280x768
(II) intel(0): detected 128 kB GTT.
(II) intel(0): detected 892 kB stolen memory.
(==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
(==) intel(0): Will not try to enable page flipping
(==) intel(0): Triple buffering disabled
(==) intel(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(==) intel(0): DPI set to (75, 75)
(II) Loading sub module "fb"
(II) LoadModule: "fb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.3
(II) Loading sub module "xaa"
(II) LoadModule: "xaa"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libxaa.so
(II) Module xaa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"(II) Module already built-in
(II) intel(0): Comparing regs from server start up to After PreInit
(==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
(II) do I need RAC? No, I don't.
.....
(WW) intel(0): VideoRam configuration found, which is no longer recommended.
(II) intel(0): Continuing with default 131072kB VideoRam instead of 33554432 kB.
(EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device)
(WW) intel(0): /dev/agpgart is either not available, or no memory is available
for allocation. Using pre-allocated memory only.
(**) intel(0): VideoRam: 892 KB
(II) intel(0): Attempting memory allocation with tiled buffers and
large DRI memory manager reservation:
(WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space.
(II) intel(0): Allocating 4860 scanlines for pixmap cache
(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
(II) intel(0): Attempting memory allocation with tiled buffers and
small DRI memory manager reservation:
(WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space.
(II) intel(0): Allocating 4860 scanlines for pixmap cache
(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
(II) intel(0): Attempting memory allocation with untiled buffers and
large DRI memory manager reservation:
(WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space.
(II) intel(0): Allocating 5472 scanlines for pixmap cache
(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
(II) intel(0): Attempting memory allocation with untiled buffers and
small DRI memory manager reservation:
(WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space.
(II) intel(0): Allocating 5472 scanlines for pixmap cache
(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
(WW) intel(0): Not enough video memory. Disabling DRI.
(WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate Overlay register space.
(II) intel(0): Allocating 5472 scanlines for pixmap cache
(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
(EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory

Fatal server error:
AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
I tried looking around on LQ, but tweaking the xorg conf file did not help.

Any assistance will be very helpful.
BTW I dont have a swap space, does that matter?

Thanks,
 
Old 02-25-2008, 10:13 AM   #2
ehawk
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It sounds as if not having a swap space is possibly causing your problem, as it mentions that your VideoRAM is too low. The computer begins to use swap space on the hard drive when RAM is insufficient. I guess it might be possible to instruct it to proceed as if you had less Video RAM for the X configuration you are using.

You could try to post here also;
justlinux.com
http://www.debianhelp.org/
 
Old 02-25-2008, 11:36 AM   #3
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Why are you installing Sarge ? Etch is currently the stable version.

I would be curious if you have installed Sarge I would bet your /etc/apt/sources.list points at stable which is actually Etch now so you are possibly mixing systems (oldstable and stable) without realizing it..



And then I see this line in your Xorg log..
Quote:
Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2)
Lenny is Testing.. which is a lot newer than either stable or oldstable..

2.6.8-2-386 This kernel indicates a Debian Sarge (oldstable) install..

Please post the output of the following

cat /etc/debian_version
cat /etc/apt/sources.list


In the mean time you may want to consider re-installing your system using an etch install CD... You don't have much time invested in the system yet for configuration and customization, so starting over with the current version would be a plus..

Last edited by farslayer; 02-25-2008 at 11:38 AM.
 
Old 03-01-2008, 11:21 PM   #4
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Problem Resolved

Farslayer thanks a lot for your inputs.
You were spot on.
I was trying to apt get packages from Etch into Sarge.

As told by you, I got the Etch iso image and installed it on my sys.
Its working perfectly.

Just as an after thought, why does not apt compain when we try to install packages across versions?

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Old 03-02-2008, 01:15 AM   #5
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Installing packages across versions is quite common for some people and is referred to as a 'mixed system'.

When configuring your sources list you can specify the distribution by NAME or BRANCH

NAME - BRANCH
Sarge - oldstable
etch - stable
lenny - testing
sid - unstable

if you configure your sources list using the name such as etch or sarge it will always pull packages from that branch of Debian. If you put stable in your sources list as the newer testing moves to stable so will your system.. When you installed sarge by default it had the sources list pointing at stable, but sarge is now oldstable so it was pulling from etch..

I know it seems a bit confusing at first nut you'll get used to it. by always using the name of the build you are using you avoid an accidental crossover between builds as they migrate.

and don't even consider running a mixed system until you are VERY familiar with Debian at which point you will also understand the advantages and disadvantages of doing so.

Hope that helps.. (either that or I just confused you more )
 
  


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