lol Slac is your crutch then?

What we learn with we perceive most useful but truthfully, the more we learn with the more we'll find useful.

Or simply use vi (gvim) on both windows and linux. The vi editor is avaliable for nearly all platforms (all linux and windows just to start) and can handle both EOL markers.

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crutch ??? I sat here awhile and tried that from several different perspectives. Then from several different moods. I still fail to rationalize where the crutch applies. I've been on them more than once. Totals months.

"Window$ wanna be" have the same "you only need this" as in Microsoft. They "hand hold" too much, thus loosing their flexibility.

"What we learn..." I'll give that a grade of "B". It is true but with errors.
Polygraph operators (from a time gone by) used "white", "black", "red" in particular to define the "truth" of a question. The "red" goes along this line:
Major robbery case
"Have you ever stolen anything from someone who trusts you."
Good upstanding person thinking of the armed robbery, says "NO"
rebuttal: "You never stole a cookie cooling in Grandma's kitchen?"
"UHhhhh" person asking quickly says "So you just lied? No further questions"
The "red" is a damned if you do, damned if you don't. can't win

"... the more we'll find useful." -------- But are we finding what we currently need? --

Couple of people at the office had not Slackware but "other versions" of Linux.
They never succeeded in doing the job on their versions. Even when I gave them my programs.
The Job? Describe every parcel of land in the State of California. Depict geo-referenced on a map. Include each parcel shape and area (and as much as 16 other items of data). Repeat every 7 years or less. Show change detection between current study and previous (one or more). Combine (join, or mosaic or whatever you call it) and cookie cut to USGS 7.5min Quads. Do same for Aerial Camera Photos and/or Satellite imagery. Depict as solid fills. Depict as lines on photos.
If interested - One "combined" set was imagery of Bakersfield County. Some 300+ Quads. Imagery at 1 meter resolution. Size unzipped: 240Gigabytes (Gig - NOT Billion) using 8 bit gray scale.

I'm still puzzled about your use of "crutch". ... "anything depended upon for support"... that includes air.
Having just re-read the definition -- YES! Slackware is a terrific support in the use of digital computers. I have yet to find anything better.

Norseman01

The term crutch came from your post, that seemed to say only use one OS and nothing else?

I like SLACKWARE, Gentoo, LFS, but I would never recommend any of them to someone just departing from Ubuntu. Wonderful options, but likely to discourage them before they get half way to where they want to be.

I like SPARKY Linux, but I only recommend it to someone who wants to ride the DEBIAN flavored cutting edge. IT is a bit safer than VSIDO, but with all of the speed, size, and advanced package options. (the kernel has been in version 4 for long!) This OP may need something more complete and useful, cutting edge may NOT be where they want to live.

Mint is solid, and it comes in more than one flavor: I happen to be using it right now. If you do not mind reloading to update every little while, Fedora is somewhere between advanced and cutting edge and a capable and excellent compromise, and as far from Debian based as you can get. I think Distrowatch and experimentation are key here. Someone needs to (in the words of Ming the Merciless) "Play with things a while". That is, in my experience, one of the best ways to learn.

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Cutting edge or at least testing does more for me than stable, where the amounts of packages are more limited but a is likely to install many applications of the same type (e.g: video players) to check them out and find what they like so for that I agree as the more you add the less "stable" experimental or testing distros can get.

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entry #19 (jamison20000e)
"The term crutch came from your post, that seemed to say only use one OS and nothing else?"
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I respond. There are usually a variety of tools for most any task. The "trick" is to find the best one for the job and stick with it. In the computer world of today one cannot always find the needed program in one's own choice of operating system. Some programs that are built right and "bullet-proof" are available only in a given OS. That OS may not be your best choice for the overall purpose. ie... somethings only run in Window$ and some only in certain versions of Window$. Due to "flavors" and not understanding libraries the same is now true of Linux. If you can get or create programs for your choice of OS that put food on your plate. Do so. But reality is - probably not going to happen every time. There were a great many wonderful programs written for XP Pro. Just don't expect them to run overnight without crashing. Courtesy of Microsoft. I never could get Window$ to run over a weekend. I had to baby set the Window$ portion of production and stage outputs to an intermediary location. Then I could start Linux and let it run overnight or over the weekend or even 24/7 until that stage was complete. Linux is not only an OS it is also a fantastic "glue" between alien (non-Linux) OS's. Slackware allowed me to start/stop/trouble shoot an entire production line. My presence not required. Besides Window$ there were VAX and DEC and SUN and a few others getting their instructions from Linux.

The thing that sticks out the most to me is that almost all that I read indicates that Linux is treated as a toy. Something to pass the time. Look around in LQ for Norseman01. I detail using Slackware in production and shutting down ALL comers for most production in a given space of time.

Small joke based on reality:
"Jed" we will call him.
Jed liked guns. Jed had lots and lots of them.
"Steve" we will call the kid.
Steve had one hunting rifle. An old WWII bolt action rifle.
Every local Turkey Shoot sponsored by the Local Lion's Club Jed would take a different rifle and would manage to put three holes somewhere in the paper. Steve always took the same old bolt action and always put three bullets in the same hole centered over the "X".
Finally, Jed asked why himself was never able to win.
Steve answered. You never got acquainted with with your weapon.

Same page as above:
entry #20 (wpexkham)
"Play with things a while". That is, in my experience, one of the best ways to learn.

True. I support that attitude completely.
But: Confucius Say: Man with no destination never arrive.
So: Pick a goal and make it happen. That is the way to play with it.

I had a need. OS's of the time were difficult, proprietary and preferred to maintain a "MINE" attitude. Via Linux I eliminated that. Via Linux I forced the production line into compliance. Of the various "flavors" of Linux I find Slackware leap years ahead in functionality. Can the "uninitiated" load and run Slackware? Actually yes. And Yes - if the instructions are followed. It comes with a few games. And Chess. Can a "ditch digger" load and run Slackware? Whatever the background - if the goal is clear and if the reading comprehension is good, so will be the results. Otherwise - yeah - it's just a time killing toy. Fortunately a few got together and added quite a list of "included's" Like Open Office, GIMP and assemblers,compilers and a very long list of needful things. The new tower I bought came with Win7. Takes up three partitions and 79Gigabytes. No Word. No Office. No Assembler, No compilers. No anything useful to start the day.
Slackware 14.1 fully loaded with all the tools you could want and running, takes up 4.7Gigabytes.

Norseman01

I may just be confused (easy to do ) from your posting style?I think it's best to try as much as possible, the average new user may not (or may) like Slackware right away but could grow to? For me over the years I have gotten more that I wanted to work thanks to testing or experimental, also just recently posted: Each year I have to clean my drive for lists like this! Have fun!

This seems a very clear and useful advice for you. start trying out and ask here if you stuck somewhere and finds something really difficult to solve.

Hi. Datasink suggestions is great. The best way to begin on linux is to use an old machine first (without sata) to use only linux, like an user and administrator.
When you kown it, compile a kernel (begin with 2.4.xx , and then laters).
Then try with msdos,ntfs support , bakups-restore MSs systems repartitioning, etc.
Later change to a newer machine (sata, usb, raid, etc).
Configure and solve problems with old X is better to know newers machines hardware and files configurations.

Have a nice day.

Guys, Nawazz is a SysAdmin. OK, he is handicapped by experience targeting a crippled Microsoft OS, but he still has the right stuff. All he needs to do is "Play" a little and he will never be able to leave it alone again.

We win more converts that way. ;-)

I agree.