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Old 10-27-2011, 12:38 AM   #1
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Some Linux rants by high profile people


Why Iíve finally had it with my Linux server and Iím moving back to Windows
By David Gewirtz | October 21, 2011, 5:00am PDT

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/why...to-windows/245

Why Ubuntu 11.10 fills me with rage:-

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/why...ith-rage/19103
 
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Old 10-27-2011, 12:57 AM   #2
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The first link is an intresting point, that every windows user at the near past sometime have.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 01:16 AM   #3
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I don't regard any of them, or any writer for those well-known large Windows-allegiance-flag-waving publishing consortia, as knowledgeable, trustworthy or even truthful.
 
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:26 AM   #4
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Well we know these people here at LQ. They introduce themselves as the great RHCE or what ever and want to know where the powerplug of their Linuxcomputer is.

What I want to say is: It's true that Windows is easier to administrate than Linux. But what if anything does not work as expected? Those Windowsadmins are cheap workers, but many of them lack the knowledge to master critical situations in a network.

Markus
 
Old 10-27-2011, 07:12 AM   #5
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huh? I didn't see any linux hate from charlie sheen or paris hilton in those articles. or are they Low Profile people?



the 2nd article leads me to wonder if ubuntu12 will compare to ubuntu11 as win7 compares to vista?

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Old 10-27-2011, 10:41 AM   #6
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Actually I had to laugh when I read this:
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But the problem with today’s modern Linux is that it’s more than just the kernel.
Yeah, go back to Windows and use only its kernel.
And then this:
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Sure, Linux machines can make great servers. But they require a dedicated group of Linux groupies who know all the folklore, all the secret handshakes, and where all the bodies are buried.
Of course, that is why there are certificates and stuff you can make, you have actually to learn to be an administrator. But that is the same on Windows. I don't know much about Windows 7 and would be totally lost when someone asks me to set up a web- or fileserver on Windows Server 2008. Because I have not learned it, and I am old enough to actually say: "I don't know how to do this." instead of just trying and ranting after I got lost on the whole thing.

The best sentence is this:
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I’ve been a UNIX product manager, I’ve written kernel code, and I’ve taught programming at the college level.
None of these will make you being an good administrator, I would think.

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It can’t be fine, flexible, and robust.
Yes it can. Try Slackware!
 
Old 10-27-2011, 07:52 PM   #7
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ZDNET leans towards Redmond by default.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 07:57 PM   #8
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If this was on Slashdot, I might give it a glance. ZDNET is worthless.
 
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:11 PM   #9
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Guys like this are full of it. I've only been a Linux user for a little over five years. I've used Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Damn Small Linux, Backtrack, Operator, I've built my own Linux From Scratch, vanilla kernels for various architectures, router distros from some router manufacturers and OpenWrt. The only time i have ever managed to hose a system doing an upgrade was an old Slackware system by using 'slapt-get dist upgrade' which i was warned might break the system anyway.

He seems to forget: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/u...-xp-users/7235

I've spent most of my computing life using Windows but like TobiSGD, I'm clueless when it comes to MS IIS and whatever other server versions they make. Doesn't mean i need to scream off how crap it is and how ill never use it again because i can't do something.

Believe me, i could rant all day about what is stupid and doesn't work with Windows.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:42 PM   #10
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yea we live in a time when all media and this now includes the internet
have become subject to corporate propaganda big time.
we are basically living in a corporate sort of dictatorship.
some people challenged the banks and a guy just got a tear gas canister up side the head.
ala israeli crowd controll.
anyway you can't believe this kind of crap when you read it.
We just learned monsanto hired a bunch of ex cia no cover black ops dudes
i mean like the guys that run secret assassination teams and crap
simply to monitor websites where people talk about what sh^ts they (monsanto) are.

I wouldn't be shocked to se linus himself suddenly be charged with having sex with 3 year olds.
 
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Old 10-28-2011, 06:56 AM   #11
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yea we live in a time when all media and this now includes the internet
have become subject to corporate propaganda big time.
we are basically living in a corporate sort of dictatorship.
some people challenged the banks and a guy just got a tear gas canister up side the head.
ala israeli crowd controll.
anyway you can't believe this kind of crap when you read it.
We just learned monsanto hired a bunch of ex cia no cover black ops dudes
i mean like the guys that run secret assassination teams and crap
simply to monitor websites where people talk about what sh^ts they (monsanto) are.

I wouldn't be shocked to se linus himself suddenly be charged with having sex with 3 year olds.
Misinformation is everywhere nowadays. This is a good example.
 
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:00 AM   #12
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The guy hasn't heard of backups and documentation.

Backup all your important data and application programmes and packages.
Backup your file systems.
Backup all programs that configured/updated the OS.

Document the hardware.
Document the OS and landscape parameters.

Inform your provider that you are going to upgrade. At least big organisations do it as a matter of entitlement and retail customers can try this too. Thus you can avoid later intimation of errors being spewed out at the server end.
Inform end users that you are going to make changes (what? why?).

These apply to any upgrade in any OS.

As to other main point, I don't believe in too many upgrades. Once a system stabilises, it should be upgraded or patched with utmost care.

OK

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Old 10-31-2011, 11:50 PM   #13
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Misinformation is everywhere nowadays. This is a good example.
I agree...I don't think the articles are a propaganda against Linux.Wikipedia,Apache web server,Chromium browser etc have been a huge success which are community based like Linux.Right now if you want to know about Einstein, you get a single Wikipedia page with all the info.Imagine having to go through 10 different versions of 'Einstein' Wikipedia pages, wouldn't that be a pain? Wouldn't that confuse you? Saying that having many different versions of Linux makes it less user friendly is not propaganda, it's just feedback.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 02:22 AM   #14
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What intrigued me about the first article is that his initial premise is that he did an update and the server crashed. I currently work with both linux and windows servers and I can tell
you that the amount of times a windows update has broken something is in much greater number than the linux updates. I also agree with AnanthaP, what pillock does updates these days without
first making backups, or in our case snapshots of our VMWare clients. Not surprisingly, when either server should die from an issue we are able to fire up a previous snapshot of either and then go in
and track down the issue as we apply each update one at a time in a test environment and then exclude the culprit and raise the issue with the provider as to the issue it has caused us
and what the possible solution is (or if the update is even required).
 
  


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