LinuxQuestions.org
Review your favorite Linux distribution.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 08-18-2006, 08:56 AM   #1
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Rep: Reputation: 85
sats2 drives with linux


Has anyone tried had trouble getting a sata2 hard drive working with a regular sata controller on Linux? Is there anything I should be aware of that won't work in Linux, so I will know not to buy it? sata2 controllers are out of my price range right now, and I do not have PCI express. I also do not want to get external drives. Sorry, I am a newbie about this. The picture here shows a place to plugin a power wire to the sata2 hard drive. Does newegg have any of these? I couldn't find any. I am going to be using a sata2 hard drive with a sata1 controller. Do I use a sata2 wire or sata1 wire, or is there only one wire that both types of satas use? Are the wires expensive? How do I get the power wire for the sata hard drives to work with my power supply? What about the wires that one end plugs into the sata2 hard drive and the other end plugs into the sata controller? Is that expensive? Thanks for any help.

Last edited by fakie_flip; 08-18-2006 at 08:57 AM.
 
Old 08-18-2006, 09:11 AM   #2
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Arch/XFCE
Posts: 17,802

Rep: Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738
I just installed two Seagate SATA-300 (aka SATA-II) drives and a Promise tx4302 controller. Everything worked fine with Ubuntu 606 and Fedora 5.
It think the SATA data cables are the same for all.
I got 2 power adapters for $1.99 ea at Fry's (California) Depending on where you are, they should be available in a local store.
 
Old 08-19-2006, 12:55 AM   #3
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by pixellany
I just installed two Seagate SATA-300 (aka SATA-II) drives and a Promise tx4302 controller. Everything worked fine with Ubuntu 606 and Fedora 5.
It think the SATA data cables are the same for all.
I got 2 power adapters for $1.99 ea at Fry's (California) Depending on where you are, they should be available in a local store.
I have Fry's here. There is one in Austin and at least one in Houston in Texas. Is the Promise tx4302 controller made for sata1? How did you use the power adapters with the power supply? Did you have to open up the power supply? After buying the hard drive, I won't have a lot of money left over for controllers. I see sata1 controllers ranging from very high prices to as low as $13. Is there any reason I shouldn't get one of the cheap ones? What should I know about the controllers when choosing which one to buy? I don't need 8 ports for many hard drives. The 320 gigabyte hard drive should be enough by itself untill I buy a 64 bit motherboard with built on sata controllers in the future.

Last edited by fakie_flip; 08-19-2006 at 12:57 AM.
 
Old 08-19-2006, 01:16 AM   #4
AwesomeMachine
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: USA and Italy
Distribution: Debian testing/sid; OpenSuSE; Fedora
Posts: 1,923

Rep: Reputation: 278Reputation: 278Reputation: 278
Newegg is ok for cables:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...+Cable&Ntk=all

By the way, PCI SATA adapter boards limit the throughput of SATA drives because the PCI bus runs slower than native SATA. So, unless you are running a processor based raid board, loaded with cache, you're going to take a performance hit with SATA PCI expansion boards. SATA 2 works on SATA I controllers. Most of the SATA 2 changes, which are very few, are all built in to the drive itself. They aren't dependent on the controller or operating system because they are changes to optimize the drive itself. Those transfer rates you see are between the drive head and the drive cache, not between the drive and the drive controller.
 
Old 08-19-2006, 05:28 AM   #5
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Arch/XFCE
Posts: 17,802

Rep: Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738
Quote:
Originally Posted by fakie_flip
I have Fry's here. There is one in Austin and at least one in Houston in Texas. Is the Promise tx4302 controller made for sata1? How did you use the power adapters with the power supply? Did you have to open up the power supply? After buying the hard drive, I won't have a lot of money left over for controllers. I see sata1 controllers ranging from very high prices to as low as $13. Is there any reason I shouldn't get one of the cheap ones? What should I know about the controllers when choosing which one to buy? I don't need 8 ports for many hard drives. The 320 gigabyte hard drive should be enough by itself untill I buy a 64 bit motherboard with built on sata controllers in the future.
The power adaptor goes between the regular 4-pin ATA power plug and the SATA power plug.
If you are moving to a MB with native SATA in the near future, then just buy a cheaper controller. I know little about the various brands---I picked Promise because I had heard of them. very scientific...
 
Old 08-19-2006, 11:07 PM   #6
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 85
When buying a sata1 controller, what should I look for? I know very little about sata1 controllers except that they are supposed to be reverse compatible with sata2 hard drives, and that's what I need. There are so many sata1 controllers to choose from. What should I look for in a sata1 controller, and what should I avoid?
 
Old 08-20-2006, 12:22 PM   #7
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Arch/XFCE
Posts: 17,802

Rep: Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738
If I read you correctly, you want a SATA-I controller to use with one SATA-II drive, and you want cheap. Perhaps--like me--you eventually plan to get a MOBO with native SATA-II support.

This is just about all you need to know---get the cheapest controller that works on PCI (not PCI-X)
Start here:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...10307&SortBy=A

As I said, I got a Promise card because I had read about them. Adaptec is also well known. Vantec I have never heard of.
 
Old 08-20-2006, 01:47 PM   #8
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 85
Do I need a jumper to limit my speed? Yes, you read correctly. That is what I want. I don't expect to be able to update my motherboard anytime soon. Are you sure I will be okay with a cheap sata-1 controller? How cheap was yours? I saw them on newegg for $13 and probably lower. I will be using it for at least 6 month s if not a whole lot longer. I have school, so I doubt I'll be able to save up extra money and time to get a better motherboard soon. I was also told to get a 3ware by some, but one other said to get a promise. Some said not to get a Promise, so I'm really not sure what to get. Remember, my board is probably built before sata existed and does not have sata parts built onto it. It may have been built in 03. I bought the hard drive already. It is a 320 gb sata2 16 mb cache seagate with a 5 year warrantee. It should be here in 2 days. I plan on getting the PCI sata-1 controller. What else will I need to get this thing running and useable?
 
Old 08-20-2006, 01:54 PM   #9
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Arch/XFCE
Posts: 17,802

Rep: Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738
Jumper--no. A SATA-I controller will run a SATA-II drive (at SATA-I speed)
I bought Promise TX4302 (SATA-II, 4 ports, ~$80) That's maybe more than you want to spend.
Buying the cheapest of anything is often risky---but If it doesn't work, they will take it back (minus a re-stocking fee).

Last edited by pixellany; 08-20-2006 at 02:04 PM.
 
Old 08-20-2006, 01:58 PM   #10
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 85
Also, I don't need many ports, and I do not need external drives. Compare the controllers at the website you gave me with neweggs. If I were to ever buy a sata2 controller, I'd be better off waiting for the price to come down because the are very new and pricey and probably could improve some. Do you see the ones here for $13 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ubCategory=410 What's wrong with them? Anything? Hopefully not.
 
Old 08-20-2006, 02:08 PM   #11
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Arch/XFCE
Posts: 17,802

Rep: Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738Reputation: 738
I think I already answered this. If you want to try the cheapest, then you have little to lose except your time.
Don't hold your breath for the price of SATA-II controllers to come down---they are not THAT new....
 
Old 08-20-2006, 02:11 PM   #12
fakie_flip
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: Gentoo Hardened using OpenRC not Systemd
Posts: 1,452

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 85
Why are all of them sold for about the same cheap price on ebay? http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ler&category0=
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2 hard drives, XP on my main sata drives, 10.2 on my IDE LILO doesnt show on boot up Dachy Slackware 14 01-03-2008 08:01 AM
Adding additional drives/resizing drives in RAID arrays kheldar Linux - Hardware 1 10-19-2005 02:21 PM
Give user permission to mount/use cdrom drives or usb drives zwyrbla Linux - Newbie 2 08-23-2004 05:30 PM
Re: Mandrake 9.2 destroys LG cd drives...( but what obout Lite-On cd drives?) aweir14150 Mandriva 1 03-03-2004 08:52 PM
Upgrading hard drives on Software raid 1 boot drives. linuxboy123 Linux - General 0 12-11-2003 04:28 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:30 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration