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Old 11-22-2011, 10:20 AM   #16
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'Out of support' can cause all sorts of issues. The most common problem is that once an OS has had support dropped, you dont get security updates.

The library computers should be overseen by some techie who has made a 'I cant be bothered to update to SP3' decision for some reason. There can be various reasons why that can happen (already got all the point security updates, and cant be bothered to do the 'full' SP3 install, etc.).

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Either way, that day came and went, and the computers did not implode, nor did the sky start falling, despite Billie Gates best 'Chicken Little' impersonation. Nor do the library's IT staff seem in any hurry to switch to XP Pro SP3, which may still be supported (can't remember). I could go on as to all the reasons why I think so little of support, but one example is enough.
XP is still supported. Just because you've seen one organisation 'get away' with running out of support (and that may, or may not be true) does not mean that running out of support is a good idea.

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Point being you obviously disagree and see things quite differently, as I count no less than six mentions of "dropped support", "being dropped", "be dropped", "out of support", "end of life", and "limited life remaining"...and equally clear you really, really want me to take notice. Mission accomplished, you got my attention! You wrote "It just asking to make your life more difficult in the future, due to gnome 2.X being dropped." Just what sort of difficulties do you foresee? Mepis 8.0 "will be out of support soon" so what are the consequences of this, and what possible problems could arise that would force me to ditch Mepis 8.0 after "less than 4 months"? Just what happens to Ubuntu 2.9 after April 2012 that has you concerned?
With windows, running 'out of support' is riskier, but less of a pain. With linux distros, the repos (repositories) can be shut down- so you cant get any new programs, besides having weaker security.

As far as gnome 2.X goes, its going to make your life difficult because gradually most distros will be moving to gnome 3.X. IMO if you try to 'teach yourself' gnome 2.X, you will end up in a situation where you have very little choice as to what distros you can run. The distros that do come with gnome 2.X are likely to be very old, or the more technical distros.

With mepis 8.0, you've got a whole load of problems. Its ancient (so hardware support is much worse than newer distros), and when support is dropped you may have no access to the repos.

There is no 'ubuntu 2.9'. 'Ultimate edition' is based on ubuntu, but its not actually ubuntu exactly. Same thing as Mepis 8.0, you will not get security updates, and the typical repo problem.

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To answer your question, I'm sure KDE 3 and Gnome 2 would be easier to learn from past experience teaching myself XP Pro. It was slow and nerve-grating process until I found instructional books on it. Al such books I can access at library (or have bought myself) target either Gnome 2 or KDE 3, and so all my library research (two 3inch binders full) has too. No, I've never actually used either, but familiar enough to be quite comfortable with trying...plus I don't detest them as with KDE 4 & Gnome 3, which counts for a lot! Now as said, I'm not totally opposed to strange desktops like XFCE, Fluxbox, etc., but have found no books detailing them, nor has Google research turned up much anything, so learning to use these will be hit and miss, trial & error...which is how I started with XP Pro, and no, I definitely ain't looking forward to it!
I still have no idea why you think that Gnome 2.X and KDE 3.X will be eaier to learn, since ypu've never used them. Dont believe 3 year old+ reports that KDE 4.X is bad. Dont believe 1 year old reports that Gnome 3.X sucks. Try them yourself. Saying you 'detest' KDE 4.X and Gnome 3.X based on other peoples opinions is just silly.

Books dont really help that much, over time programs are renamed, moved, reconfigured etc.. If the program has been renamed since whatever guide you are using was written, you'll have no fun at all.

BTW, a lot of linux stuff is done (or can be done) from the command line, so desktop enviroment doesnt matter that much.
 
Old 11-27-2011, 07:11 PM   #17
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RE: What I didn't get to before.

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'Out of support' can cause all sorts of issues. The most common problem is that once an OS has had support dropped, you dont get security updates.

The library computers should be overseen by some techie who has made a 'I cant be bothered to update to SP3' decision for some reason. There can be various reasons why that can happen (already got all the point security updates, and cant be bothered to do the 'full' SP3 install, etc.).



XP is still supported. Just because you've seen one organisation 'get away' with running out of support (and that may, or may not be true) does not mean that running out of support is a good idea.



With windows, running 'out of support' is riskier, but less of a pain. With linux distros, the repos (repositories) can be shut down- so you cant get any new programs, besides having weaker security.

As far as gnome 2.X goes, its going to make your life difficult because gradually most distros will be moving to gnome 3.X. IMO if you try to 'teach yourself' gnome 2.X, you will end up in a situation where you have very little choice as to what distros you can run. The distros that do come with gnome 2.X are likely to be very old, or the more technical distros.

With mepis 8.0, you've got a whole load of problems. Its ancient (so hardware support is much worse than newer distros), and when support is dropped you may have no access to the repos.

There is no 'ubuntu 2.9'. 'Ultimate edition' is based on ubuntu, but its not actually ubuntu exactly. Same thing as Mepis 8.0, you will not get security updates, and the typical repo problem.



I still have no idea why you think that Gnome 2.X and KDE 3.X will be eaier to learn, since ypu've never used them. Dont believe 3 year old+ reports that KDE 4.X is bad. Dont believe 1 year old reports that Gnome 3.X sucks. Try them yourself. Saying you 'detest' KDE 4.X and Gnome 3.X based on other peoples opinions is just silly.

Books dont really help that much, over time programs are renamed, moved, reconfigured etc.. If the program has been renamed since whatever guide you are using was written, you'll have no fun at all.

BTW, a lot of linux stuff is done (or can be done) from the command line, so desktop enviroment doesnt matter that much.
You were correct to assume some distros were recommended to me as good for newbies (Linux Mint, PCLinuxOS, Xandros 4, and PC-BSD). Xandros was a bit pricey, so downgraded it Xandros 3.02OCE;if it impresses I'd be inclined to splurge. PCLinuxOS and PC-BSD were cut for various reasons. Linux Mint was clear winner. All the other distros I found on my own.

Already knew Windows 2000 was not supported as I'm member of various Windows forums, some having Windows 2000 & windows 98 fanbase. Anyway, may have to give up on Windows 2000 as I learned theres no motherboard/chipset for AMD Phenom II x6 1075T that will run it. Seems to be couple boards for Phenom II x4 970 (3500MHz) that will, but have to study it more before I'd settle for hardware downgrade!

Also already know about using nLITE for XP Pro. Since you mention it, what's your opinion on floppy drives? Asked on hardware forums, and replies seems of two camps. One side says a DVD/CD burner can do anything a floppy drive can, and that I will "never everhave any problem that absolutely requires floppy to fix it." Other camp swears there are "rare situations where an floppy drive is essential" and if I don't include one in build, I "could be in serious trouble."

No, I haven't discarded "8xx/SB850 chipset boards" yet, but was going to ask if SB7** or SB9** would be better...I see you anticipated that, and already answered it. Brilliant! So far I got no SB6** on my list, but will google it to see if any Gigabyte DualBIOS or Asus DieHard BIOS boards ever had it (some form of twin BIOS chip like Chaintech used to make is one requirement for boards). Another is eSATA...was not aware one could turn SATA into eSATA...had been discarding boards with no eSATA. Will try to backtrack, and undo that. Thanks for the tip!

Okay, so as I understand it, lack of support in Linux distros centers on security and repositories. Seems to me Linux was always pretty secure from its start, and even more so today. As 'lurker' at various hacker forums, I've noted glaring lack of interest in Linux and BSD, so would think that 'out of support' and even 'dead' distros like EvilEntity are at least as secure as Vista or Win7. So you add in antispyware, antivirus like F-secure, firewall like IPCop; throw in wired router with NAT & SPI;decrapify OS of useless/exploitable junk (Samba, Pidgin, remote desktop, server garbage, most network services, etc.), and top it off by disconnecting PC from ADSL when not in use...I have to wonder if alot more security is really necessary? So now in my case, whether or not a repository is "shutdown-so you cant get any new programs" don't seem that important, and I'll explain why. Nearly all distros on my trial list are of three sorts;what I call 'stand-alones', 'bare-bones', & 'as-is'. The 'stand-alones' are Linux Mint, PinguyOS, and Ultimate Edition; so named because they come with all the software I'll need already installed, so don't foresee having to add more. The 'bare-bones' (Puppy Linux, Simply Mepis, and Damn Small Linux)were designed to be a minimalist OS, so adding software to them would be defeating the intended purpose. The 'as-is' category are the live CDs/DVDs, most (if not all) are non-installable; so far as I know if you can't install it you cannot add or subtract software, ergo OS could only be run as-is.It don't sound like I'd need the repositories, so that leaves only the question of how much security is enough security,and is the additional security of using only supported releases really necessary in this scenario?

Regarding Gnome 3 and KDE 4, my viewpoint is not entirely "based on other peoples opinions". When I first discovered all my books and research on KDE3 & Gnome 2 might be useless, I'll admit I was none too happy, but figured it was another newbie blunder, and began research to familiarize myself with KDE 4 and Gnome 3. Started with the gushing reviews comparing how they was different and similiar to the old versions, and how much better they was. I did not agree! Researched what few instructionals I could find on Google to compare further, and liked what I saw even less. Went to Gnome & KDE homesites to see if there was some overpowering reason for such radical (and awful) changes. I found none. Thought maybe it was just me not liking it because it was new and different, so I searched to see if anyone else had problems with this stuff. This is where I found your "reports that KDE 4.X is bad" and Gnome 3.X sucks." Well, you call them reports...I recall them as user reviews by them that should know (longtime Gnome/KDE users). I would also consider them confirmation that my previous conclusions were not that biased nor that off-base.
 
Old 11-28-2011, 06:56 AM   #18
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*Quick post in case you see this before I can do a decent post*

Xandros 3.02 OCE? 'Pricey'? Dear gawds, dont pay for that. Xandros 3.0 is from 2004, and IIRC 3.02 OCE is from early 2005. 3.0 is running kernel 2.6.9, so it wont work (or wont work properly) with any SB6XX or later chipset. Even Xandros 4.0/4.1 is from 2006, and has a kernel to early for SB6XX onward. Xandros is also 'Discontinued'.

If you are looking for distros, check distrowatch- its got fairly current infromation on all the major distros, and lots of the smaller ditrso. Heres the 'Xandros' page-

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xandros

BTW, if you are planning on a Phenom II X6, you will need kernel 2.6.35+ to get full support. Running 2010/2011 hardware with a 2004 distro (or even a 2008/2009 distro) could cause you no end of problems, and in the worst case it could even kill your machine. Dont risk it.
 
Old 12-19-2011, 05:23 PM   #19
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Think you misread that bit...

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Xandros 3.02 OCE? 'Pricey'? Dear gawds, dont pay for that. Xandros 3.0 is from 2004, and IIRC 3.02 OCE is from early 2005. 3.0 is running kernel 2.6.9, so it wont work (or wont work properly) with any SB6XX or later chipset. Even Xandros 4.0/4.1 is from 2006, and has a kernel to early for SB6XX onward. Xandros is also 'Discontinued'.

If you are looking for distros, check distrowatch- its got fairly current infromation on all the major distros, and lots of the smaller ditrso. Heres the 'Xandros' page-

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xandros

BTW, if you are planning on a Phenom II X6, you will need kernel 2.6.35+ to get full support. Running 2010/2011 hardware with a 2004 distro (or even a 2008/2009 distro) could cause you no end of problems, and in the worst case it could even kill your machine. Dont risk it.
as I was saying that Xandros 4.0 recommended to me was a bit pricey, so downgraded it to 3.02 OCE which is cheap..but after reading what you said, think I'll forego Xandros altogether!

I'm quite familiar with Distrowatch already, although found it to be unreliable in some things. I'll research what you said about "kernal 2.6.35+"; Phenom II x6 is not for sure yet, as Windows 2000 Pro may or may not run on any of its motherboards...pain in the rump to find info on this!

Users on Mepis forum do not agree with you about Mepis 8.0; many continue to use it without problems. I've looked into the new KDE/Gnome more now, and like it even less. I may take some of your advice on this by getting new (or newer) versions of my target distro releases, in case the old releases do not work well with my hardware...but it will be XFCE, IceWM,etc. No way I will mess with Gnome 3 or KDE 4.
 
Old 12-20-2011, 03:04 AM   #20
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I'm quite familiar with Distrowatch already, although found it to be unreliable in some things. I'll research what you said about "kernal 2.6.35+"; Phenom II x6 is not for sure yet, as Windows 2000 Pro may or may not run on any of its motherboards...pain in the rump to find info on this!
Windows 2000 Pro will never, ever fully support a Phenom II X6. Windows 2000 Pro will run on at least some boards that support a Phenom II X6, but the CPU itself will not be (Win2K Pro only supports 4 CPUs/cores..I have no idea if turbooboost is supported).

Windows 2000 Advanced Server would support the 6 cores, but probably wont support the X6 fully (eg, no turboboost).

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Users on Mepis forum do not agree with you about Mepis 8.0; many continue to use it without problems. I've looked into the new KDE/Gnome more now, and like it even less. I may take some of your advice on this by getting new (or newer) versions of my target distro releases, in case the old releases do not work well with my hardware...but it will be XFCE, IceWM,etc. No way I will mess with Gnome 3 or KDE 4.
IMO you should have linked to the thread. If you are 'Ensom' (and I would bet you are) I guess I know why you didnt link-

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/view...56427a30c2ac9d

The Mepis users have actually agreed with me in some ways (all from the link above, post numbers in quotes)-

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DBeckett Post # 290010

"Out of support" does not mean that it will stop working on your machine, only that there will no longer be any further updates for it.
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and lack of security updates is the big concern I believe.
Which is part of what I was saying.

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MEPIS 8 should continue to run OK until the next debian release when squeeze becomes oldstable and lenny moves to archives.
AFAIK this is wrong.

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When security updates are not provided anymore for 'oldstable', the repository is moved to http://archive.debian.org/.

Q) How long will security updates be provided?

The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable

Debian 'squeeze' became 'stable' on 6th of Feb, 2011. So the security updates for lenny could stop anytime after Feb 2012. The repos would stop then as well, unless mepis is doing something I dont know about. Thats the 'shutting down the repos' problem (AFAIK mepis does this) that means you cant get any software in the easy way. Also, timkb4cq (Post # 290021) brought up another problem that I didnt even mention- some software will not work on empsi 8 (thanks to those old lenny libs).

Hardware support is another issue. You should be able to get some chipsets/CPUs running with mepis 8 just fine, but newer hardware will not have full support (eg no turoboost). I'd think that you would find that people running mepis 8 (and earlier) you found on the mepis forum would be running hardware from 2-3 years ago, or more. Not new hardware.

Which is exactly what I was saying to you....if you want to run old, out of suport distros with no security updates, possible hardware support issues (and if you go back far enough, no support at all apart from 'generic' drivers) in the hope that a router, of the fact that its linux will save you from security problems, thats up to you. I wouldnt.

BTW, LOL at you even mentioning 'EvilEntity' still.

I really dont know where you are getting your ideas, or information (like richb said in Post # 290118 "Mepis is hardly bare bones Linux."). I dont know why you insist on even thinking about distros that are long dead, like EvilEntity.

I do think that going to a diferent forum, not linking people to what was originally said but instead doing some out of context paraphrasing with the bits you disargee with (or that dont agree with your plans) is NOT a way to get decent information.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:54 AM   #21
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You really may want to consider Centos. What most people fail to understand about Centos (and RHEL) is that despite the fact that it runs older(by version number) versions of stuff, virtually all hardware and security fixes are backported into those versions. ie despite the fact that all Centos 5 versions run a 2.6.18 kernel they fully support sata (current kernel is 2.6.18-274.12.1.el5). The 5.X versions will be fully supported until 2014(at least) and I THINK the 6.X version still run Gnome2 and KDE3.
 
Old 12-28-2011, 07:35 PM   #22
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Okay then...

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Windows 2000 Pro will never, ever fully support a Phenom II X6. Windows 2000 Pro will run on at least some boards that support a Phenom II X6, but the CPU itself will not be (Win2K Pro only supports 4 CPUs/cores..I have no idea if turbooboost is supported).

Windows 2000 Advanced Server would support the 6 cores, but probably wont support the X6 fully (eg, no turboboost).



IMO you should have linked to the thread. If you are 'Ensom' (and I would bet you are) I guess I know why you didnt link-

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/view...56427a30c2ac9d

The Mepis users have actually agreed with me in some ways (all from the link above, post numbers in quotes)-





Which is part of what I was saying.



AFAIK this is wrong.



http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable

Debian 'squeeze' became 'stable' on 6th of Feb, 2011. So the security updates for lenny could stop anytime after Feb 2012. The repos would stop then as well, unless mepis is doing something I dont know about. Thats the 'shutting down the repos' problem (AFAIK mepis does this) that means you cant get any software in the easy way. Also, timkb4cq (Post # 290021) brought up another problem that I didnt even mention- some software will not work on empsi 8 (thanks to those old lenny libs).

Hardware support is another issue. You should be able to get some chipsets/CPUs running with mepis 8 just fine, but newer hardware will not have full support (eg no turoboost). I'd think that you would find that people running mepis 8 (and earlier) you found on the mepis forum would be running hardware from 2-3 years ago, or more. Not new hardware.

Which is exactly what I was saying to you....if you want to run old, out of suport distros with no security updates, possible hardware support issues (and if you go back far enough, no support at all apart from 'generic' drivers) in the hope that a router, of the fact that its linux will save you from security problems, thats up to you. I wouldnt.

BTW, LOL at you even mentioning 'EvilEntity' still.

I really dont know where you are getting your ideas, or information (like richb said in Post # 290118 "Mepis is hardly bare bones Linux."). I dont know why you insist on even thinking about distros that are long dead, like EvilEntity.

I do think that going to a diferent forum, not linking people to what was originally said but instead doing some out of context paraphrasing with the bits you disargee with (or that dont agree with your plans) is NOT a way to get decent information.
It seems like I didn't make clear my goals. I do not care whether or not this OS or that OS will fully support (i.e. have all the bells 'n' whistles) Phenom II x6 1075T. I plan to trial about ten operating systems, so sure at least one or two will. If Mepis 8.0 doesn't, maybe Linux Mint 10, or XP Pro (or whatever) will. All I care about is that any given OS (like Win 2000 Pro) will run on my hardware...whether or not it can keep up with XP Pro, or do all the tricks of Fortress Linux is of no importance.

Yes I'm Ensom, and didn't think about linking to the thread. Frankly some forums seem to have a cow if one posts such stuff from another forum, so I seldom do (think about linking). I've absolutely zero interest in combing through this forums' rules to (maybe) find out if this is or is not okay....when in doubt, I leave it. If I had a problem with you finding out that I checked for consensus at Mepis forum, I would not of mentioned it. Yes, Mepis users agreed with some of what you said, and I took note of that before making my decision. In the end the question is how important is support, how important is having the "Latest&Greatest&Biggest&Best" software/hardware, and so forth. To me, not so much...and in that I agree with the users of Mepis 8.0, as I'm not interested in continually adding software, so repos are a none issue.

As for hardware, I'm looking at Phenom II x6 1075T...what about that would lead you to believe I'm a "Latest&Greatest" fan into "new hardware"? This CPU is "from 2-3 years ago" (so far as I know). As for Mepis not being bare-bones Linux, Google search does not agree. It turned up Mepis, Puppy, and Damn Small Linux, among others. Check of components list at Distrowatch shows all three to be similar. Is BrowserLinux more bare-bones? Yes. So?

All "paraphrasing" was as accurate as I could make it, and I believe direct quotes of what you said. I fail to see your insult with it. Ain't like I made fun of it or anything, and I sure didn't try to hide it. Some agreed with you and some didn't. So?
 
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What you wrote about chipsets is a concern.

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You haven't built too many than
Some LSI, and JMicron chipsets have known issues. Anything from bad/wrong NCQ parameters, borked ATAPI protocol (Nvidia MCP's are famous for this), incompatibilities on 1.5 chips with some 3.0 drives ..... <-- These are mainly the 'extra' SATA controllers suicidaleggroll was talking about.

Stick with a chipset that is 100% AHCI compliant, and there usually is not a problem. Thankfully, most integrated controllers on motherboards manufactured in the last 2 years are 100% AHCI compliant.
Been reviewing motherboard options while recovering, and found many have these: JMicron JMB361, JMB362, & JMB363...are these the "known issues" ones you warned about? Should I ditch these boards? None on my selection list have "LSI" brand, but these are given: Realtek, T.I., iTE, Marvell, Eton, VIA, and RTL...any pitfalls here? Also, noticed two boards have nVIDIA northbridge/southbridge chipsets.
 
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It seems like I didn't make clear my goals. I do not care whether or not this OS or that OS will fully support (i.e. have all the bells 'n' whistles) Phenom II x6 1075T. I plan to trial about ten operating systems, so sure at least one or two will. If Mepis 8.0 doesn't, maybe Linux Mint 10, or XP Pro (or whatever) will. All I care about is that any given OS (like Win 2000 Pro) will run on my hardware...whether or not it can keep up with XP Pro, or do all the tricks of Fortress Linux is of no importance.
Yeah, and that is forgetting the (albeit not that high) possiblity of hardware damage using ancient software on new hardware.

Mint 10 is out of support in april 2012, so its (again) 4 months till end of support, not worth getting IMO.

O-M.G. Fortress linux? Where on earth did you find that monstrosity? Lemmie guess, the same place that will sell you Xandros 3.02 OCE. :| Most linux users havent heard about it...and I for one would not touch that thing with a bargepole. I dont trust linux distos with stupid EULAs, and Fortress linuxs EULA is absolute bull-dust. This bit in particular makes me shudder-

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f. Fortress Linux, or its designee(s), shall, during regular business hours at Customer's offices and in such a manner that does not interfere with Customer's normal business activities, have the right to inspect and audit, or have an inspection and audit, of the number of copies of Software Used or distributed by Customer, the computers on which the Software, if any, is installed and the number of users and computer systems Using any such Software. If any audit discloses underpayments of five percent (5%) or more of the amount of License Fees Customer should have actually paid to Fortress Linux, Customer shall bear all of the costs of the audit. Fortress Linux' audit rights shall not terminate or expire until three (3) years after termination or expiration of this Software License.
http://www.fortresslinux.org/SFL-Start-noX-license.php

Translation- we want to spy on you, and if our spying reveals that you are 'underpaying', even a little, we can take an even deeper look...on your dime.

#$%^ fortress linux, and its 'lets take others work, wack an EULA on it and call it our own'. AFAIK that whole thing is in breach of the GPL anyway, you cant just take GPLed work and then try to say you own it. The GPL says that derived works can only be distributed under the same license terms. *I am not a lawyer, that is just my reading of the situation*

Ohh, BTW, fortress linux would probably be using gnome3 and/or KDE4. The fortress linux documentation is so lame that I cant tell now.

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Yes I'm Ensom, and didn't think about linking to the thread. Frankly some forums seem to have a cow if one posts such stuff from another forum, so I seldom do (think about linking). I've absolutely zero interest in combing through this forums' rules to (maybe) find out if this is or is not okay....when in doubt, I leave it. If I had a problem with you finding out that I checked for consensus at Mepis forum, I would not of mentioned it. Yes, Mepis users agreed with some of what you said, and I took note of that before making my decision. In the end the question is how important is support, how important is having the "Latest&Greatest&Biggest&Best" software/hardware, and so forth.
I've never found any forum worth talking on where users, admins or mods 'have a cow' over a link to another forum. Provided that its not an attempt to start a fight, trolling, or politicing. Given none of those, at worst you might get a 'please dont do that' warning, no great problem.

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As for hardware, I'm looking at Phenom II x6 1075T...what about that would lead you to believe I'm a "Latest&Greatest" fan into "new hardware"? This CPU is "from 2-3 years ago" (so far as I know).
Where did I ever say that you were into the 'latest and greatest'?

The Phenom IIs (early models) date back to Jan 2009, so they are 2-3 years old. The Phenom II X6s are NOT 2-3 years old, they are much newer, inital release was april 2010, and have features that dont appear on the original Phenom IIs. IIRC they dint have full linux support on relases, it wasnt till mid/late 2010 that majority of the turbo boost stuff for AMD CPUs was included in the kernel. So its not at the stage where the majority of newish distros should have full support for an Phenom II X6.

Its not just the CPU support, if you try using newer hardware with older releases you might have partial/no support for your networking chip, sound chip, video chip/GPU, etc..

For example, with my older motherobard and debian 'lenny' (mepis 8.X base) I have to manually install the sound drivers, which is not that much fun for a newbie. Debian 'squeeze' (or newer) finds the sound chip, and installs it out of the box.

Netowrking problems make the 'my sound chip doesnt work' problem look like an easy fix as well. Its not much fun doing swapping computers to get though some issue, and if you dont have 2 computers running near each other its even harder.

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As for Mepis not being bare-bones Linux, Google search does not agree. It turned up Mepis, Puppy, and Damn Small Linux, among others. Check of components list at Distrowatch shows all three to be similar. Is BrowserLinux more bare-bones? Yes. So?
What search terms? 'Bare bones' doesnt really have a hard definition, but I would guess that lots of expereinced linux users would take it as meanign 'absolute minial install', probably to command line only. If there was a desktop in 'bare bones' it wouldnt be saddled with 100s or programs the user might not want, it would have a bare minimum of preinstalled software.

Google, or any other search engine for that matter, is a blunt instrument. You can beat the net into virtually any result you want with the right (or wrong, LOL) search term.

I'd believe the mepis forum over search results.

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To me, not so much...and in that I agree with the users of Mepis 8.0, as I'm not interested in continually adding software, so repos are a none issue.
Err...if mepis was 'bare bones' you would probably want to add at least a desktop.....try that as a beginner without repos.

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All "paraphrasing" was as accurate as I could make it, and I believe direct quotes of what you said. I fail to see your insult with it. Ain't like I made fun of it or anything, and I sure didn't try to hide it. Some agreed with you and some didn't. So?
Direct quotes, but only snippets of info, and out of context.

I never said I was insulted, what I was said is that if you are after information, IMO you are going about it the wrong way. Honestly, I'm amused at your 'forum shopping'. Keep trying, you might find somebody, somewhere who agrees with you totally.
 
  


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