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Old 05-23-2007, 06:14 PM   #1
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Running windows on linux


I am looking for what possibilities are out there to either run windows in a virtual machine on linux or to run windows based programs under linux. Mainly i am curious what is out there and what the pros and cons are, likewise any opinions on which ones are more stable, run more, are easier to use and the like. i have done research on my own but i am at the point i am curious what other people have tried, and what they think. i am mostly leaning towards attempting to run windows in a virtual machine style environment as opposed to running an emulated windows environment such as wine appears to be.

I suppose i should share, I have a dual core proc and 4 gigs of RAM plus an nvidia 7300 and plenty of HDD space so system resources shouldn't be an issue

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Old 05-23-2007, 07:10 PM   #2
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my experience

I think it largely depends on what you're going to want to do in Windows... certainly, Wine is generally quicker and easier to setup and use than Vmware, but obviously Vmware is generally more powerful/stable.

For instance, I've used things like Picasa, DVDshrink or Irfanview via Wine with no trouble, and it's quick and easy.

On the other hand, once you've got your Vmware setup, it's very nice to have "the real McCoy" inside your virtual machine. The biggest drawbacks to Vmware, from my point of view: It takes a lot of disk space because you need to allow for the allocation/growth of every VM you want to have available... also, it takes a lot longer to load and shutdown vmware than simply running an ap through Wine.

With your dual-core and 4GB ram I'm sure your performance will be much improved over my own experience, however, as I'm using a five year old PC.

What are your objective(s) for Windows apps within linux?
 
Old 05-23-2007, 08:13 PM   #3
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Which programs do you need to run?

You have many options. Wine, VMWare, Qemu, Bochs, just to name a few off the top of my head.

If you need to run older stuff, there's DOSBox, DOSEmu, etc. I have set up many things under DOSBox, including Windows 3.11 (with the "Win32s" 32 bit extender) Freecell runs quite well...

All jokes aside, there is a lot of software available for Linux. Native software is ALWAYS the best option.

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Old 05-23-2007, 08:14 PM   #4
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objectives

mainly game apps, such as some of the main stream MMOs out there, A lot of the basic apps used all the time in windows is no biggie, but not many games out there for linux, a few examples, world of warcraft, lineage 2, ventrillo/team speak, that sort of thing.

basicly i am looking for windows xp compatability at least

oops i should also probably mention i am running ubuntu feisty fawn incase some of these possibilities work better on other forms of linux

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Old 05-23-2007, 11:02 PM   #5
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You might be interested in these guys then:

http://www.codeweavers.com/

Cross-Over Linux Compatibility Table
 
Old 05-24-2007, 12:58 PM   #6
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You might be interested in these guys then:

http://www.codeweavers.com/

Cross-Over Linux Compatibility Table
thankyou it was certainly a possibility. it looks however, like it is almost totally reliant on codeweavers to decide which programs would work.

what is the thoughts on virtual machines to run a true windows environment on? as i stated before i have enough in the way of system resources running a Virtual machine isn't much of a problem.

I have had VMware mentioned, how does that compare to Parallels and are there any other similar programs out there?
 
Old 05-24-2007, 01:42 PM   #7
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Try VirtualBox - it's what I use and it runs quickly and flawlessly as far as I've tested so far. Plus there's an open source version if that's important to you (with slightly fewer features) or a closed source one with all the features which is free for personal/educational use.

Setting it up's a doddle, and it very customisable after you've installed your guest os. There's a few threads on it here, and their documentation on the website is also good.

Something to ponder anyway.
 
Old 05-24-2007, 01:59 PM   #8
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Try VirtualBox - it's what I use and it runs quickly and flawlessly as far as I've tested so far. Plus there's an open source version if that's important to you (with slightly fewer features) or a closed source one with all the features which is free for personal/educational use.

Setting it up's a doddle, and it very customisable after you've installed your guest os. There's a few threads on it here, and their documentation on the website is also good.

Something to ponder anyway.
Thanks, i am looking at it now actually, and think i will give it a try

any tips for installing it?
 
Old 05-24-2007, 02:25 PM   #9
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Well, depending on what distro you're running, there's a variety of methods. If you're debian based, there's a .deb file. There's a generic install script which works on all Linux distros, or there's compiling from source. It all depends on how masochistic you are.

Take a look at their download page:
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

They list the following precompiled binaries:
  • Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn")
  • Ubuntu 6.10 ("Edgy Eft")
  • Ubuntu 6.06 LTS ("Dapper Drake")
  • Debian 3.1 ("Sarge")
  • Debian 4.0 ("Etch")
  • openSUSE 10.2
  • Mandriva Linux 2007.1
  • Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
  • Univention Corporate Server 1.3-2
There's also an "All distributions" version which is essentially an install script.
 
Old 05-24-2007, 02:28 PM   #10
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VMWare

I saw on this site posts concerning VMWare

I am curious does the vmware converter change the windows image it is converting or just make a "clone" and leave the windows partition otherwise intact?
 
Old 05-24-2007, 02:49 PM   #11
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it leaves the windows machine intact.. all it does is make a vmware loadable image of the Windows machine.

It's intention is so you can migrate windows based discrete servers to a virtual server system with as little down time as possible.
 
  


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