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05-30-2007, 02:49 AM
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Running KNOPPIX from hard drive
Hi,,,
I downloaded KNOPPIX DVD 4.2G I have been running it from DVD I want to run from the hard drive but I couldn't do it could someone help do it ,if is not possible I would appreciate giving me another linux with many software such as KNOPPIX.
Thankssssssssssssss
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05-30-2007, 03:55 AM
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Hi,
You can check the doc from http://clusterknoppix.sw.be/knx-install.htm it is helpful by the way you can easily install Suse that has tons of application inside.
Regards,
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05-30-2007, 04:21 AM
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Hi
thanks a lot can i bother you again
can you give the link for SUSI the latest one which include most applicatios
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05-30-2007, 11:57 AM
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It was a while back since I installed a Knoppix but its installer is called knoopix-installer or something similar in /bin or /sbin. Just go to the terminal mode, list the commands in these two directories and issue that command. The name does get changed over various versions and the knx-hdinstall could be the current one.
Knoppix installer is widely used in its family and one of the simplest and the fastest ones around for installation. I did mine in 6 minutes but my iso was in the hard disk at the time.
Last edited by saikee; 05-30-2007 at 12:00 PM.
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05-30-2007, 12:30 PM
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I have 5.1 knx-hdinstall didn't work I tried knoppix-installer it was good to start but i got an error message that "the installer find out the installation requirmets are not fufilled " it says something about partitioning the hard drive I was giong into a loop I have to phisycal hard drive I couldn't install it in any of them.
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05-30-2007, 02:34 PM
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To install Knoppix, or any Linux for the first time, you need two partitions available.
Since you can run Knoppix as a Live CD why not just use its cfdisk or fdisk program in terminal mode to create these two partition. cfdisk is the best and I would stay away from the desktop partitioner, especially for someone green in this area.
If you want to install Knoopix from a DVD you need about 10Gb space. For a CD-based Knoppix a 5Gb partition is sufficient. The other partition you need is the swap. Any partition created in Linux will be type 83 suitable for all distro installation. You need to highlight the "type" command in cfdisk to alter the partition type to 82 for swap.
With these two partitions available Knoppix should be installed in less than 30 minutes.
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05-31-2007, 05:55 AM
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SAIKEE,
thanks for your patience can you tell me why I see only about 5G.from the two 160 G.when I use cfdisk in terminal mode.
I have windows XP installed in one hard disk in one partition the other partition is 40G. and another hard disk is 160G.all free. When executing cfdisk in terminal mode I see only about 4G.
I formatted the first one now I have two 160.G freeeee still getting only 4G. can you help like step by step explanation for DUMMIES it is turning to be challenge me.
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05-31-2007, 09:19 AM
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To see every partition of every disk use command in root console
To partition a hard disk, say sda, use command
Partition creation should always be separated from formatting. The former is just writing 16 bytes inside the partition table to "define" the boundary of the partition. The latter actually go inside the partition to create an indexing system for the filing type selected.
One can have the partition table completed destroyed without affecting the data inside the partitions. All the data are recoverable if the partition table is rebuilt.
Last edited by saikee; 05-31-2007 at 10:57 AM.
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05-31-2007, 09:37 AM
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In Knoppix, the prefered partitioning software is QtParted. Current versions of Knoppix also include GParted. These are graphical, so they're a LOT easier for a newbie to use!
The Knoppix installer is easy to use, with only very basic options, but it expects you to prepare the partitions manually first.
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05-31-2007, 11:20 AM
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I dislike graphic partitioning tools because
(a) They mix partition creation with formatting. I think users would have a better understanding between partition creation and formatting if the two are done separately, but this is my personal view.
(b) Their availability is not universal in distros whereas the basic tools like "fdisk" and "cfdisk" (Red Hat family uses "sfdisk") are part of the terminal command set.
(c) I use the graphical partitioning tools in Live CD form because I know they are the latest. Also I use them mainly for moving partitions and resize their sizes. Embedded versions inside the distros may be older and less capabable.
My knowledge in partitioning was taught by fdisk and cfdisk, the programs themselves!
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05-31-2007, 12:35 PM
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I do have a live CD from Linux Magazine from June 2004 (Knoppix 3.3), and I'd like to install Knoppix.
My current computer is:
E-machines model T3104
256 MB RAM
93.16 GB HD
Currently I have about 74 GB or more of space.
I have a integrated sound card & Graphics card.
I've tested the sound card by playing a linux version of BubbleBobble (or a name similar to that), and everything works.
I have to install my printer software though, but it shouldn't take any time at all.
I currently do not have any essential files for Windows XP, because I have backed them all up to DVD.
I was wondering what bootloader I should use to run Linux & Windows?
Last edited by pinbot; 05-31-2007 at 01:08 PM.
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05-31-2007, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jmfa59
Hi
thanks a lot can i bother you again
can you give the link for SUSI the latest one which include most applicatios
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if you dont know how to find a linux OS - why bother using it. It takes a simple google search.
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05-31-2007, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pinbot
I do have a live CD from Linux Magazine from June 2004 (Knoppix 3.3), and I'd like to install Knoppix.
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That's an old version, with a lot of crusty old software. I think that's the version I started with.
One thing that the QTParted included with this old Knoppix will NOT be able to do is resize and NTFS partition. What version of Windows do you have already installed? If it's Windows XP, then it will be on an NTFS partition. If so, then you'll need to figure out some other way to shrink the existing NTFS partition.
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My current computer is:
E-machines model T3104
256 MB RAM
93.16 GB HD
Currently I have about 74 GB or more of space.
I have a integrated sound card & Graphics card.
I've tested the sound card by playing a linux version of BubbleBobble (or a name similar to that), and everything works.
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If Frozen Bubble works, including sound, than that's a good sign.
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I have to install my printer software though, but it shouldn't take any time at all.
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What model of printer?
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I currently do not have any essential files for Windows XP, because I have backed them all up to DVD.
I was wondering what bootloader I should use to run Linux & Windows?
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This old version of Knoppix only uses LILO, I think. It worked fine for me, but I only ever dual booted Knoppix with Windows 98. Most linux distributions today use GRUB.
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05-31-2007, 01:54 PM
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Grub is actually availabe in Knoppix but its installer uses Lilo by default. It is one of those few distros that hosts both boot loaders. You can prove it by typing "grub" at the root console to fire up a Grub shell. With the availability of the Grub shell it very easy to convert its Lilo configuration to boot from Grub.
IsaacKuo's advice to go for the later version should be adhered to because I started with V3.4 possibly 2.5 years ago and Linux has moved "a lot" during that time. Knoppix possibly was claiming the king of Live CD then. Nowaday just about every distro can be installed from a Live CD.
Last edited by saikee; 05-31-2007 at 02:01 PM.
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05-31-2007, 04:02 PM
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So Lilo is the best Choice?
BTW, my printer is a Lexmark 730 Series.
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