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Old 01-13-2003, 07:23 PM   #16
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Ok... have you read the documentation???? I'm sure in the homepage of the WM there will be some sort of FAQ... and since it seems a very common problem in RH8 I'd search there too.

Cars... Ok... you can ride cars and CARS. If you mantain it properly you shouldn't have any trouble with your car... The same with your OS... if you care about it you shouldn't have any troubles ever.... I mean... nothing like major crashes or stuff.

About your problem... It's common, And It happens to me also with mandrake... I think it has something to do with the hardware... I used to happen to me when I tried to start armagetron on a pIII 800MHz with onboard 32bit video card. It just wouldn't start... after that I tried it in my PIV 2.0GHz with a Geforce2 MX 200 and it worked like a charm. I used two versions of MAndrake.. but still I think it was the hardware the big problem.
 
Old 01-17-2003, 05:56 PM   #17
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Well, Ciccio, I think you may be right that it is something related to hardware, but it must be a wide rage of hardware. My desktop and laptop are quite different and it happened in both of them in exactly the same manner.

I hadn't done much customizing on the laptop, so I reformated and reinstalled RH8.0 and Package Manager GUI is working again and hopefully it will continue.

I have and am reading up on everything I can find. For Windows I have utilities that can spot changes in the registry and I am sure there must be similar diagnostics to spot suspicious changes in Linux. I know I have a lot to learn, but I've been through it before, so with time, I'll conquor this one too.

On cars and horses, horses came first as did command line operating systems. Cars followed horses and there were some who thought cars were totally bad and car fanatics who thought horses would disappear. Both were wrong. Command line and GUI will continue to co-exist and we can each choose to use the mode that works best for whatever you are trying to do. Except in the Windows world where it's even difficult to make the GUI work the way you want it. I think the command line vs. GUI are silly and a waste of space. That was the point I was trying to make.

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Old 01-17-2003, 06:35 PM   #18
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but it is just a line you have to type the RPM.... and I've never had any problem with that...
Hi Ciccio,

Sorry to come back on this but honnestly, you seem to miss the point completely.

We're not talking about what to chose or not we're giving tools to work efficiently.
We ALL are console-command freaks BUT sometimes a "rpm -e" command does not uninstall a previously installed package correctly, telling you "package not installed" and when you then retries to install it "rpm -i" or "rpm -U" it then tells you "package already installed".

You see, my friend, when this occurs, the "faster" (read then "better") way to solve this issue IS to use Synaptic (you know, this so ugly-becoz-not-a-command-line) because that tool that you seem to hate rescued more console-freak people then you could ever guess.

Besides, the free Linux world has a name : FREEDOM
This means that everyone is free to choose.
You've chosen the "faster & better" console way, congratulations because I'd have chosen this as well.

Our problem here was to solve an issue that a command line cannot solve ... if the "ugly-coz-grafics" brings a solution, I vote for it.
 
Old 01-17-2003, 11:31 PM   #19
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I'm not sure I am the one missing the point. I am not a command line freak, I just happen to know a few utilites. I use synaptic when I install rpm packages and my point was: if it doesn't work with the GUI, then do it manually (command line); after you got it to work focus on the GUI's problem.

About the rpm -e I've had that problem... in fact I've solved it, the name of the package was wrong, I was adding the architecture when i didn't have to. I'm just saying, a treu linux freak will know the command line as well as teh GUI. I'm a little newbie myself, but I know that not everything can be solved from the GUI (like in windows) I know that the most powerfull tool in linux is it's console. The GUI is for users that like GUIs or that need a gooo GUI for surfing the net or stuff. But the real administration of linux is made from the command line, edditing files (even some GUI's config files must be edited from a command line ED (such as VIM, this year's editor.)

Sorry to disagree guys, but the GUI is not the solution. the fact that there are A FEW good tools doesn't mean that the command line is no longer necesary.



BTW, in your signature you can put the url tags to make it a hyperlink. [ url=something.com ]text[ /url ] (without the spaces between the '[' ']' and the 'url' tag.

Ciccio.-
 
Old 01-18-2003, 10:09 AM   #20
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Except that in this very case (the one I told) the console didn't help, only the GUI was our total rescuer. The opposite situation than the one you try to describe...

By the way, thx for the url advice
 
Old 01-18-2003, 10:31 AM   #21
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I believe this is a known bug in the package gui in redhat 8.

Try this: open a terminal, typeTry this: open up a terminal, and type:

su
(enter the root password)


su
(enter root password)
redhat-config-packages

see what output it generates, if there are any errors etc.

To see if opera is installed, (as user) type

which opera

and see what output it produces. Menu entries will not be added by opera, this is also a known issue.
 
Old 01-18-2003, 11:05 AM   #22
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Thx mhearn !

You really seem quite aware of corruped packages issues.

Get a load of this :
I'm totally unable to change/update/modify the hour of my RH system.
I'm so shy I do not know how to do it via console I tried to doubble click on the clock/calendar ... nothing happens.

Does this ring a bell ?
 
Old 01-18-2003, 11:21 AM   #23
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I can normally right click on the clock applet in gnome and select "Set date/time" in redhat 8. Otherwise man date
 
Old 01-18-2003, 02:13 PM   #24
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about the URL it's without the space befor and after the url it's [url]

anyway, I had that problem, the one where you cna't uninstall with rpm -e and you can't install/update because the package is already installed. from the CLI I verified the package name and I made it work, the GUI is just a front end, it's not a tool for itself.}

So, I guess your problem was the packmage's name. Also I didn't have a GUI on that machine, it was the server and I uninstalled teh XFS because I have no video card on it. so I HAD to do it from a CLI.

 
  


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