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Old 10-27-2009, 01:28 AM   #16
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A mindset where users stay in user directories and do user stuff, and the admins use root as needed for system config and system management.
Exactly, system oriented tasks on a multi-user system are done by the admin, not the normal user.
Just because there are a lot of Linux desktops around doesn't mean Unix isn't Unix.
Having a clear separation of root vs others is a good idea, as is enabling as many services as possible to have their own user and dropping privs asap.
 
Old 10-27-2009, 02:33 AM   #17
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even with all of this it is STILL possible to log in ( using the GUI) in fedora AS ROOT
there is a not recommended hack or launch it from the terminal as root
if i WANT TO i can start nautilus as root and have a GUI . it is no big deal .
 
Old 10-27-2009, 11:16 AM   #18
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Personally, if I wanted to run a POS windows machine, I would have installed a number of POS windows machines! This horeshit about wanting to become more 'windows-like to gain market share' defeats the purpose of NOT BEING Windows in the first place!

Many of us work in a linux environment where there IS A NEED for a root login instead of sudo. Many of us know what the hell it means to be root-aware. Many linux users (read new linux/former Windows) are barely comfy with the command-line. Ergo they dont need nor do they warrant access to the root.

If I as an admin (whether at home or my job) have a number of tasks I need to perform from a host, then I am going to login once and only once as root, do what I need to do and get out. By 'dumbing down' linux, they are not advancing the case for a high-powered OS. They are essentially nuetering the dog.
 
Old 10-27-2009, 11:28 AM   #19
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You are aware that you can use all the root gui tools via su - ? The only root task that I have not been able to figure out this way is to empty root's trashcan.
 
Old 10-27-2009, 01:50 PM   #20
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Many of us work in a linux environment where there IS A NEED for a root login instead of sudo. Many of us know what the hell it means to be root-aware. Many linux users (read new linux/former Windows) are barely comfy with the command-line. Ergo they dont need nor do they warrant access to the root.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is - power users and admins can very easily log in as root by simply tweaking the config, assuming they don't just run gksudo or whatever.

When I run software installs or tools like SAP, Oracle, DB2, whatever I usually have connected to the remote host via ssh -X and then the display for the admin command is piped back to my desktop. I certainly don't run my local desktop X as root, nor do I run an X desktop on a server.

All this is rather beside the point, however. The simple fact of the matter is that the two major Window Managers for F/OSS have chosen to disable the root login by default. It's F/OSS - feel free to go complain or simply edit your config. You can even just switch to a Window Manager that doesn't do this by default.
 
Old 12-19-2010, 09:55 PM   #21
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You can enable graphical login for root quite easy: edit both /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/gdm-password and comment out the line containing "!= root".

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Thanks for that information. I use the graphical root login all of the time when something doesn't work. For example, (trivial but makes the point) I was having a hard time getting my pictures to be saved as a desktop background. I had a photo program which could change any picture you edited and make it the desktop background.... except that feature didn't work under my user account.

Therefore, I ran as root graphically to see if it would work there. Sure enough, it did. Therefore, I had to go into my pictures and make sure that I had full permissions for them and then went into the /usr/share/backgrounds directory to put the pictures that I wanted as wallpapers into that folder so I had the option to install them.

Now, I have the desktop I want.

Of course, this may be a pretty stupid reason to login as root graphically. What if it was some other important function or application?

Obviously, you should always use a user account for 99% of your normal routine & save root for when you are actually fixing something in Linux.

BTW: M$ Vista does the same thing, disabling the administrator account. Of course, M$ is a lot less secure so doing that in Vista is less intrusive.

I'm very security aware. My network isn't open. My hard drive is encrypted, protecting my data and personal information. A graphical root login.... with the complex root password, will not make my machine unsafe.
 
  


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