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Old 05-21-2004, 03:24 PM   #1
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Removing Mandrake and installing XP


I recently acquired a third computer which I want to run Linux on. That works fine, but I had an older computer which ran Mandrake 10, and I want to remove that and replace it with XP. I ran the XP setup and it worked fine, but now when I boot, I get "Error loading operating system" I've tried booting into Recovery Console and running FIXMBR and FIXBOOT, but I keep getting the same message. Did Mandrake create a hidden partition that XP setup couldn't delete? Thanks for any help you can offer!
 
Old 05-21-2004, 03:42 PM   #2
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You want to rplace mandrake with xp????

Why exactly?
 
Old 05-21-2004, 03:53 PM   #3
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No hidden partition. XPs installer sucks the biggest lemon in the whole world! After '98/ME, they changed something. Its your bootloader that's not working properly. Try finding a Windows 98 boot floppy and doing
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fdisk /mbr
and then put in your XP disk and fixmbr.

My theory is that Microsoft wants to own your computer so after "ME" they got pickier. The thing wouldn't even install on a disk I ahd FreeBSD on! I had to do that with the '98 floppy. Its atrocious and seemingly predatory, IMO.

Good luck. Make sure you install your anti-virus BEFORE you connect to the net....
 
Old 05-21-2004, 04:01 PM   #4
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Sorry I don't have a Win 98 boot floppy. Is there a program I could download on another computer and create a floppy that I could use.

I want to install XP because I have games and other software that I miss running (especially Grand Theft Auto Vice City
 
Old 05-21-2004, 04:15 PM   #5
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Try google for boot disks...or a friend. Anyone with '98 can make one of those from the control center. Good luck.
 
Old 05-21-2004, 04:20 PM   #6
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www.putergeek.com u will find downloads for boot up disks
 
Old 05-21-2004, 09:02 PM   #7
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Boot disks

You can find different types of boot disks HERE
 
Old 05-21-2004, 10:57 PM   #8
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I don't know about the above experience but in general XP is easier to setup than previous windows versions like 98. I have a bootable version of it. WHat you need to do, is setup windows XP first though, otherwise you'll run into trouble. Windows XP first, and then install linux, as windows I believe has to be before the 1024th cylinder on the HD to boot.

After that you are good to go, but sadly you'll need to go ahead and backup anything in mandrake that's important and then reinstall it back on after you have installed XP. However, that said, I would use mandrakes partition management program that it has in it's install wizard to setup partitons before installing XP. XP has no partition management in it's install so you'll end up having to use partition magic (commercial product) otherwise.

So do the following.

Backup Mandrake data.
Format HD
Put in mandrake install CD
Go to setup parititions, and tell it you want to do this manually.
Use the wizard to make a large paritition (20+ gig) that you'll use for NTFS. Don't set a mount point to it as you aren't going to use it for linux.
Then create a partition 1 gig in size for swap space (if you want to try mandrake games, otherwise 512 is probably fine).
Then, create another partition of 100 megs in size for /boot (I do this because I use this for kernel storage and keeps away file system corruption.. Ihave lots of different nix versions, you may decide to also so it's good to have extra).
Then another partition you'll use for root which should be about 10 gig
Then another partition you'll use for home which should be 20 gig or so.

Of course, everything here is dependent on HD size.. you can limit/increase it as you like and they aren't minimums just there to give you an idea.
 
Old 05-22-2004, 05:10 AM   #9
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i never needed a win98 boot disk to fix the mbr, i just booted using the xp cd and did a repair through the recovery console with this command:

fixmbr

poof. no floppy disk necessary. don't know if my case was unique or not, but i'm just letting you know it may not be necessary.
 
Old 05-22-2004, 09:54 AM   #10
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xp and nt need 3 files to load...even if the os is installed and fine if one of these files is not there you will get that error...ntloader,io.sys and boot.ini..if you can get a cp make sure all 3 files are there
 
Old 05-22-2004, 10:04 AM   #11
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xp and nt need 3 files to load...even if the os is installed and fine if one of these files is not there you will get that error...ntloader,io.sys and boot.ini..if you can get a cp make sure all 3 files are there
You mean boot.ini, ntldr and ntdetect.com? io.sys is DOS kernel.
 
Old 05-22-2004, 01:53 PM   #12
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yes big oops on my part
 
Old 05-22-2004, 09:11 PM   #13
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I know everyone thinks that the '98 boot disk thing is wierd. So do I. I woudn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Please read the post. He "doesn't have a drive" according to the bootup. "No operating system found". This means that there's no bootloader being recognized by the BIOS in the first track of the HD. I have WinXP, '98, Mandrake 10, 10rc1,10beta2,9.1, Debian Sarge, FreeBSD 5.1, Vector4, LindowsOS4.5Dev, NetBSD 1.6.1, 1.6.2, and many others (including many live-cd's), and I have installed them all. I usually try to HD install the live cd's too, for fun. I have done this a whole lot. here's what happened with FreeBSD and LindowsOS: The Windows XP cd booted and then produced a black screen immediately after "detecting hardware". It never came back. I have waited 1/2h to see. It crapped out. No XP install for this cat. Why? I don't know, but I guess that its picky and wants you to only use it (I may be too paranoid about this). I do know that my trusty Win98 boot floppy fixed the deal, when I booted up and fdisk /mbr. I could then use my XP cd to install XP. Go figure.



Effectively what has happened is that the XP installation has not written properly to the boot record so that the BIOS can actually see that there is an OS there. You can do the same thing with any OS. If you don't write to the MBR, you'll get "no operating system" message from the BIOS when you boot. You may have the best possible installation and still get that crap, as the BIOS needs to see a bootlaoder in the MBR.

This solution worked for me and if I'd just continued to stick in the XP cd, I'd never get to the recovery console to type fixmbr even today. Sorry if I offended anyone, but lets try to help this guy.
 
  


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