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Old 05-25-2012, 01:54 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Remastering software for Debian?


Kindly inform me which is the best remastering software for Debian 6. I wish to install Debian first and after setting it up completely wish to create an installable iso so that whenever I wish I could reinstall the ready to use OS. Kindly also guide me about the software a little.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 02:57 AM   #2
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You could try remastersys which seems to be the most popular. Another tool is refracta installer - files here

If you want to do it the Debian way then you need the Debian Live Project
 
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If you want to do it the Debian way then you need the Debian Live Project
+1 DebianLive. Actually DebianLive is the CD/DVD, LiveBuild is the scripts that builds it. There is no use guiding you until you download the LiveBuild scripts and Manual. Once you have read the manual and gone through the tutorials ask questions if you have any.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 04:40 AM   #4
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I would suggest a beginner to the art of remastering Debian uses remastersys. From there you can go to Debian Live Build.

Remastersys is only for Debian stable (Squeeze).
 
Old 05-25-2012, 06:36 AM   #5
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So you have mentioned three remastering tools:


1- remastersys

2- Debian Live

3- refracta



So in your opinion remastersys is the easiest for beginners? And can I include two or three desktop environments in the iso with remastersys? Also when remastersys creates the iso, can the OS be installed with the way Debian is installed or remastersys has its own installer?

Also about Debian Live can one create the Debian OS the way he wants? I mean could he create the Debian OS with as many software as he likes and can he include two or three desktop environments?

About refracta it seems that it is not so popular but would like to know your comments about it.



So kindly inform me about these three tools and kindly also give me some tips how to begin?
 
Old 05-25-2012, 10:23 AM   #6
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And can I include two or three desktop environments in the iso with remastersys?
Remastersys basically just creates an iso of what is installed on the system so I expect you should be able to do this although I have never tried. You need to at least review the different options. I believe the backup option includes the user /home directory while the dist option does not. I'v always used the dist option and it has an installer when completed.


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Also when remastersys creates the iso, can the OS be installed with the way Debian is installed or remastersys has its own installer?
When I remastered Debian 6.0.3 and burned the iso and booted it, it had the debian-installer icon on the Desktop. It didn't do anything and I spent some time trying to figure things out and making changes and eventually wound up at the remastersys web site which indicated that the debian-installer would not work on these remastered iso files. There is a separate remastersys installer which did work for me. If you go to the site there is a brief explanation of why this happens.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 02:03 PM   #7
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Remastersys basically just creates an iso of what is installed on the system so I expect you should be able to do this although I have never tried. You need to at least review the different options. I believe the backup option includes the user /home directory while the dist option does not. I'v always used the dist option and it has an installer when completed.




When I remastered Debian 6.0.3 and burned the iso and booted it, it had the debian-installer icon on the Desktop. It didn't do anything and I spent some time trying to figure things out and making changes and eventually wound up at the remastersys web site which indicated that the debian-installer would not work on these remastered iso files. There is a separate remastersys installer which did work for me. If you go to the site there is a brief explanation of why this happens.



And about Debian Live can one create the Debian OS the way he wants? I mean could he create the Debian OS with as many software as he likes and can he include two or three desktop environments making it a Debian Live DVD instead of Live CD?
 
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I've never used Debian Live so know nothing about it but I'm sure someone else will respond.
 
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Also about Debian Live can one create the Debian OS the way he wants? I mean could he create the Debian OS with as many software as he likes and can he include two or three desktop environments?
Basically yes.

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So kindly inform me about these three tools and kindly also give me some tips how to begin?
You have been given a link to DebianLive. I suggest you read it, if you aren't going to read it then it is no use asking for help and I mean that nicely.
 
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Remastersys and refracta both create an ISO image from your current desktop session. So, build your distro how you want it and it will basically snapshot and image and create your ISO. Remastersys is currently command line use only but, refracta has GUI and command line commands.

Debian Live Build is a different beast altogether, you basically have to tell it what packages you need and what options plus any customisation it might need. This maybe a bit too technical for someone new to remastering but there are some useful pages out there giving the steps, one such page is this.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 05:12 PM   #11
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Debian Live Build is a different beast altogether, you basically have to tell it what packages you need and what options plus any customisation it might need. This maybe a bit too technical for someone new to remastering but there are some useful pages out there giving the steps, one such page is this.
It may seem like I am being picky but the reason I said read the Live Build guide and do the tutorials is that LiveBuild has little but important changes in each new version. For instance the latest version (in Wheezy-Sid) can install firmware for you, in older versions you had to do it manually. The only resource that is up to date is the manual and the mailing list. If anyone wanting to use DebianLive hasn't at least read the current manual they are just going to come up against problems and asking someone to help you fix the problems when all you need to do is read a manual is not really fair on other users.
 
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Originally Posted by nixblog;4687672Debian Live Build is a different beast altogether, you basically have to tell it what packages you need and what options plus any customisation it might need. This maybe a bit too technical for someone new to remastering but there are some useful pages out there giving the steps, [URL="http://debianandi.blogspot.com/2011/09/howto-debian-live-build-your-own-distro.html"
one such page is this[/URL].
Live Build is able to do the same as Remastersys or Refracta, have a look at the --bootstrap copy option.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 10:58 PM   #13
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AFAIK the --bootstrap copy option does not exclude directories. As far as I'm concerned Remastersys and Refracta are very flexible and easy to use, Debian Live is probably harder to use for a first-timer and it can be quite buggy.
 
Old 10-15-2012, 02:29 PM   #14
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my experience confirms this general trend too.

remastersys, easy. minimal complexity and features.


refracta, still easy, some extra control and configurability.
(rapidly becoming my preference, due to remastersys's issues with anything but stable, and debian live's clumsy over-complexification and difficult to navigate/follow documentation.)


debian live build*, not easy (at least at first).
lots of extra complexification and configurability, but an utter pain if you just want to quickly roll out a respin of an existing running debian operating system, and havnt read through the nightmare-ish** documentation. ~ it is possible though*:
Code:
lh config --bootstrap copy --debian-installer live
*


these three, however, are not the only options. there's some other stuff, like gui apps, that float around the mint and ubuntu communities, i think (seen mention of them, havnt tried). idk how well they'd work with straight debian.

... and you could always go for a more direct hands-on aproach. frankenstein some linux-live scripts, or get your own made, or just dd and init it. :$

* or whatever it's called now... used to be "helper" but i guess they realised that wasn't true for most folks now that example command is likely something like lb, rather than lh... nothing like moving the goalposts to keep the userbase guessing n on their toes. :&

** certainly true if you're dyslexic like me. ~ some of us prefer, concise less-is-more documentation.
 
Old 10-16-2012, 03:57 AM   #15
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my experience confirms this general trend too.

remastersys, easy. minimal complexity and features.


refracta, still easy, some extra control and configurability.
(rapidly becoming my preference, due to remastersys's issues with anything but stable, and debian live's clumsy over-complexification and difficult to navigate/follow documentation.)


debian live build*, not easy (at least at first).
lots of extra complexification and configurability, but an utter pain if you just want to quickly roll out a respin of an existing running debian operating system, and havnt read through the nightmare-ish** documentation. ~ it is possible though*:
Code:
lh config --bootstrap copy --debian-installer live
*


these three, however, are not the only options. there's some other stuff, like gui apps, that float around the mint and ubuntu communities, i think (seen mention of them, havnt tried). idk how well they'd work with straight debian.

... and you could always go for a more direct hands-on aproach. frankenstein some linux-live scripts, or get your own made, or just dd and init it. :$

* or whatever it's called now... used to be "helper" but i guess they realised that wasn't true for most folks now that example command is likely something like lb, rather than lh... nothing like moving the goalposts to keep the userbase guessing n on their toes. :&

** certainly true if you're dyslexic like me. ~ some of us prefer, concise less-is-more documentation.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Live Build (yes the commands are lb now not lh. lh was Live Helper) if you use the Squeeze version which is version 2x then you will have stability, if you use the Wheezy version (3x (about 51a) you will have a little less stability but will have more options, if you use Sid (3x (about 60 something) you will have a thoroughly cutting edge live build system that can and does sometimes break. Read the manual if you want to be able to use it also sign up to the mailing list. If you are not up to date with the manual on the 3x versions then you will struggle simply because by definition wheezy (testing) and Sid move around.
 
  


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