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Old 07-21-2006, 11:32 AM   #1
HiIamBill
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Reinstalling... Slackware or everything else? Read. This will make sense...


Ok, I ran into a bit of a pickle, here. I set most of my Linux up from sound to wireless internet to everything... then I figured I'd install Dropline Gnome. Bad idea. I installed it, and immediately my internet stopped working. Commands like 'iwconfig' and 'dhcpcd' stopped working. I believe those are both in the internet wireless tools, which I can reinstall, but also 'route' stopped working and I thought that was another part of the linux kernel. On top of that, KDE won't start up because several files disappeared from there. I tried uninstalling Dropline, but that made things worse. Now my sound is dead.

So, since I'm new, I figured I'd ask. What's the easier and safer thing to do here? Reinstall all of Slackware and update everything again, or reinstall KDE, the latest Kernel (which I may have a backup image of), Internet Wireless Tools, my sound drivers... etc.

So, as the title says... should I reinstall slackware or everything else?
 
Old 07-21-2006, 12:27 PM   #2
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The wireless tools on Dropline GNOME are disabled by default because there are problems with Slackware's network initialization system that don't properly mesh with these tools (and we currently haven't yet figured out how we want to work around it). I suspect that you enabled Network Manager on a wired system. Please correct me if this is not the case. Network Manager is probably only ideal on systems with wireless connections. However, typical laptop users utilize these tools with great success. Note: By default, networking is no different than it is on a standard Slackware system unless you manually enable these tools yourself.

A simple fix would have been to simply reverse the changes that you made to turn these wireless features on (e.g. turn off Network Manager and "chmod -x" rc.dhcdbd and rc.networkmanager). Your standard DHCP funcationality would remain unchanged in this case (I use it at home with Network Manager disabled).

KDE files do not "disappear" after a Dropline installation. What did you install it on? Slackware 10.2, or Slackware Current? As noted on the Dropline page, it is not compatible with Slackware Current. I'm quite curious as to what happened here, because KDE's packages are relatively self-contained and do not have as many external dependencies as GNOME does. If you installed on Current, then it's likely related to differences in X11 versions.

How you install your system is entirely up to you. Clean installs never hurt. Depending on the method that you used to uninstall things, the resulting system can vary greatly.

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Old 07-22-2006, 07:38 PM   #3
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I'm going to try putting dropline into a working slackware 10.2 that is "updated" full nooby install.

Once that is done, and assuming that gnome works.

What is the best way to keep my slackware w/KDE and gnome up to date?

Presently, I just use slapt-get. But my fear is that will want to reverse dropline's changes.

I see that dropline advises of files that it replaces on a stock system. I see that dropline has an update feature for it's gnome.

But do they now take the initiative to deploy ALL updates for my entire system?

Or am I supposed to look at Pat's changelog, then see if that is something that may conflict with my gnome and do it all by hand as updates arise? I cannot find any info to this effect.

Thanks.
 
Old 07-22-2006, 08:06 PM   #4
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I'm going to try putting dropline into a working slackware 10.2 that is "updated" full nooby install.

Once that is done, and assuming that gnome works.

What is the best way to keep my slackware w/KDE and gnome up to date?

Presently, I just use slapt-get. But my fear is that will want to reverse dropline's changes.

I see that dropline advises of files that it replaces on a stock system. I see that dropline has an update feature for it's gnome.

But do they now take the initiative to deploy ALL updates for my entire system?

Or am I supposed to look at Pat's changelog, then see if that is something that may conflict with my gnome and do it all by hand as updates arise? I cannot find any info to this effect.

Thanks.
Dropline only handles the files that are part of the Dropline suite itself. All of the replacement packs that are noted on the download page are included in these updates (e.g. X11, GTK, and other such packages will always be updated and patched for security advisories).

Security updates from Slackware.com will have to be manually upgraded. We've considered having them get automatically updated by the dropline-installer as well, but have decided against it as it might cause more problems than it's worth. In the future, we might add an extra feature for these updates though.

I would not use the Slackware Changelog (which is only for Slackware Current, the unstable development branch). Dropline suggestests that you only use the recent stable build (10.2 right now), and follow the Security advisories located here:

http://www.slackware.com/security/. You can quickly access them by going to the following directory on your favorite Slackware mirror:

ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackwar...tches/packages

If you happen to accidentally install a Slackware security update for a package (e.g. mozilla-firefox), it will automatically be updated again with the Dropline version when you run dropline-installer the next time and choose "upgrade". It's possible to blacklist any updates in dropline-gnome, but is only suggested if you are quite familiar with it though (blacklisted entries can be added to /etc/dropline/blacklist with only the package name per line, with no version numbers).

If you are using slapt-get to only download security updates for 10.2, then you should be able to continue using that tool. I've heard that it tends to ignore packages tagged with "dl" in the filename (like all dropline packages). If you are using slapt-get to update to "Current" though, I do not believe it would be a good idea to install Dropline GNOME. Some people seem to ignore this warning, and run into problems (and blame us). We only support Slackware's stable releases. It will not work on Current unless you really understand package management and you are capable of correctly resolving dependency problems.

Last edited by zborgerd; 07-22-2006 at 08:11 PM.
 
Old 07-22-2006, 08:33 PM   #5
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I would only be putting dropline on 10.2.

Current scares me so I avoid that.

Thanks for the write up on updates. IMHO They really need to put an answer like your's in the FAQ that is a truly legit question, concern.

Well, wish me luck, my download is done of the iso file of dlgnome.
 
  


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