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Old 10-28-2008, 03:00 PM   #1
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Talking Red Hat Enterprise


Hi;
Is it legal to use a copy of RHEL 5.2 according to GNU license?
 
Old 10-28-2008, 03:07 PM   #2
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I think you simply can't install it, if you haven't a valid subscription and activation number. For a really free Red Hat system, you may always consider CentOS: it is a rebuild of the Red Hat source packages, with the Red Hat logo removed. Moreover updates are released just one day later than those released by Red Hat.
 
Old 10-28-2008, 03:30 PM   #3
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You can install and use it without paying the subscription fee. The only problem is that you will not be able to get any updates or support without paying the subscription fee. The same applies to SUSE Enterprise Linux. I personally would go with CentOS if you do not require the Red Hat subscription.
 
Old 10-28-2008, 04:34 PM   #4
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You can install and use it without paying the subscription fee. The only problem is that you will not be able to get any updates or support without paying the subscription fee. The same applies to SUSE Enterprise Linux. I personally would go with CentOS if you do not require the Red Hat subscription.
not true. you can still get updates, you just will not get them the second they come out. you will have to wait like everyone else for the srpm to be released and added to a yum package someplace.

to avoid this headache just use CentOS it is a fork of RHE with all of the RH trademarks removed. that is the only difference.
 
Old 10-28-2008, 04:42 PM   #5
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not true. you can still get updates, you just will not get them the second they come out. you will have to wait like everyone else for the srpm to be released and added to a yum package someplace.
Actually you can get updates, just point your yum repositories to the centos ones..

But it is legal for you to keep using Red Hat or use Red Hat, but they have terms.

From: http://www.redhat.com/rhel/renew/faqs/#6


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6. If I don't renew, can I continue to use the software?

Yes, under the General Public License (GP), you may use the software and maintain your own custom version of Linux. However, you will not have access to:

* Technical support from Red Hat.
* Security or software updates via Red Hat Network. You will have to find updates from alternative resources that provide reliable, secure downloads.
* Support from certified hardware suppliers or software vendors like Oracle for applications running on an expired Red Hat Enterprise Linux subscription.
* Coverage from the Red Hat Open Source Assurance program, featuring an Intellectual Property Warranty for Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers. Red Hat designed the program to protect customers using open source solutions.

Please note that when your subscription expires you will still be bound by the terms and conditions of the End User License Agreement and will have to remove all copies of Red Hat Network Code.
 
Old 10-29-2008, 09:24 AM   #6
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not true. you can still get updates, you just will not get them the second they come out. you will have to wait like everyone else for the srpm to be released and added to a yum package someplace.

to avoid this headache just use CentOS it is a fork of RHE with all of the RH trademarks removed. that is the only difference.
I think we are thinking on two different wavelengths here. Its correct that you can get the source rpms and build them into binary rpms. What I meant was that you would not get updates directly from Red Hat via RHN.
 
Old 10-29-2008, 11:21 AM   #7
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I think RHEL will let you put in a key after installation though. I often wonder it you can just install it and change the repos to CentOS ones. But by the time I finish that thought CentOS is already installed so I use it... ;-)
 
Old 10-29-2008, 11:43 AM   #8
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Hi;
Is it legal to use a copy of RHEL 5.2 according to GNU license?
What counts is the license that comes with the SW---what does it say?

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I recommend that you remove your e-mail and phone # from your sig. If you enable e-mail in your profile, people can still contact you. The way it is now, you're inviting spam.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 02:35 PM   #9
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I think we are thinking on two different wavelengths here. Its correct that you can get the source rpms and build them into binary rpms. What I meant was that you would not get updates directly from Red Hat via RHN.
then please be specific, especially when you are dealing with someone who is new to linux like the OP.

your statement was very clear that you would have to pay for both the OS (RHE) and the updates. both of those statements is clearly false. you at no time mentioned RHN.

RHN is part of a SUPPORT system you are paying for.

that is what you have to pay for. thus my recommendation to use CentOS as you get everything that RHE provides without the service contract fee and thus their paid for support.

Please be mindful of how you present some aspects of Linux to the new people to linux and even to those who are not so new.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 03:41 PM   #10
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Actually you can get updates, just point your yum repositories to the centos ones..
The moment you do it, your redhat logos will be updated to Centos' - which will visually
turn your system into centos.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 05:14 PM   #11
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then please be specific, especially when you are dealing with someone who is new to linux like the OP.

your statement was very clear that you would have to pay for both the OS (RHE) and the updates. both of those statements is clearly false. you at no time mentioned RHN.

RHN is part of a SUPPORT system you are paying for.

that is what you have to pay for. thus my recommendation to use CentOS as you get everything that RHE provides without the service contract fee and thus their paid for support.

Please be mindful of how you present some aspects of Linux to the new people to linux and even to those who are not so new.
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, nitpicking and misrepresenting my posts. Like I mentioned above, what I meant to say was that you would not get any updates from Red Hat without a valid RHN subscription (which I referred to as a Red Hat subscription). Having access to a bunch of source RPMs is not the same as having the actual updates directly from the Red Hat software repositories. For most users its a lot more convenient to get updates from their distro maintainer rather than spending time rebuilding source RPMs or scouring the web to see if anyone has already done so for you. This is why like you, I recommended CentOS.
 
  


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