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Old 04-26-2004, 10:37 PM   #1
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Red Hat 9 vs Enterprise re security


A few very beginner questions. I am trying hard to get a proper overview to put all these details in context.

Red Hat 9 is no longer supported, so is anyone still issuing update patches? Obviously not Red Hat. Where does one look? And either way, how does that relate to 'new kernels?' I am suspecting this is the process of applying a patch, Linux-style?

Since I am learning I want to just choose the most popular Linux that is solid and easiest to find answers and support for. It is for a server I will use for developing websites. Or, as a rank Linux beginner, am I better off getting a new copy of RH Enterprise? RH's 2 day call back support doesn't sound all that useful. thanks for any replies.
 
Old 04-26-2004, 11:09 PM   #2
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why not give slackware a shot??? it's VERY good...


all the info you'd need to get going is right there on the website:

http://www.slackware.com/book/


if you need some convincing, check-out this site:

http://www.slackware-advocacy.org/


=)
 
Old 04-27-2004, 07:14 AM   #3
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Maybe I will end up with Slackware in a year and much prefer it over others, I dont know. But as a beginner my impression is that it doesn't seem the most forgiving or easiest to learn. And learning is the priority at the moment.

Anyway, I was really hoping someone might comment about Red Hat, even if its just to post a good link. I have ver 9 installed on two pc's and am trying to understand the current situation of RH 9 vs. RH Enterprise. As security issues are discovered in RH 9 does that mean it just becomes unsafe, and that everyone should stop using it, except on 'hobby' computers?
 
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Red Hat 9 is no longer supported, so is anyone still issuing update patches?
AFAIK, no.


And either way, how does that relate to 'new kernels?' I am suspecting this is the process of applying a patch, Linux-style?
RHL can run pristine, default, kernel.org kernels, no problem at all unless you where relying on some RHL tweaks. Use a clean kernel.org kernel and most patches will succeed (tho often not all at the same time, but that's not a Red hat issue).


It is for a server I will use for developing websites. Or, as a rank Linux beginner, am I better off getting a new copy of RH Enterprise?
No, I guess not. RHEL isn't for "toying around". Like SuSE it's aimed at companies that need a longterm commitment for releases (both guarantee 5 yrs AFAIK). If you want something RLH alike you could go for Fedora. If you want something close to RHEL, check out CentOS (from the cAos project, forum on LQ too), Tao Linux or White Box Linux (last one seems not maintained anymore tho).


RH's 2 day call back support doesn't sound all that useful. thanks for any replies.
You get whatever you want to pay for.


why not give slackware a shot??? it's VERY good...
...and so is CentOS, SuSE, FC1, etc etc.
 
Old 04-27-2004, 05:24 PM   #5
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...as a beginner my impression is that it doesn't seem the most forgiving or easiest to learn...
yeah, slackware has a weird reputation for being "difficult"... but it's not an accurate reputation...

a lot of slackers would point out that slackware is actually quite friendly once you get used to the basic concepts that separate it from other distros... of course, "quite friendly" doesn't mean "mandrake control center" or anything like that... slackware is about getting things done in the simplest fashion, it's about not making the administrator dependant on distro-specific gui configuration utilities, it's about letting you experience the linux kernel without getting in your way, it's about staying as true as possible to the unix philosophy...




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...learning is the priority at the moment.
slackware is probably the best binary distro for learning out there... most people learn more about GNU/LINUX using slackware for a few months than they do using some other distro for a year... slackware is simple, logical, and straight-forward... and it achieves this without the need to hide the system behind pretty gui tools and endless newbie-oriented modifications... yet it gives even the newbie user incredible power and features you won't find anywhere else...



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As security issues are discovered in RH 9 does that mean it just becomes unsafe, and that everyone should stop using it, except on 'hobby' computers?
yes, sorta... but there are also folks out there that are making distros _based_ on red hat 9 and providing updates... sometimes they get the updates from enterprise... this is probably not a good approach, though...

what you're "supposed" to do (according to red hat) if you are using red hat 9 and need to move to something "supported" is you should decide wheather you want to move to red hat enterprise (paid support) or fedora core (community support)... enterprise is aimed more at, well, enterprises, while fedora core is aimed at the community and bleeding-edgers and stuff...

enterprise will always be much stabler than fedora (that's part of the point), but fedora will always be more modern than enterprise... and according to red hat, fedora is a "proving ground" for technology that will eventually make it's way into enterprise... personally, when i heard red hat use the words "proving ground", i gave away my fedora cds immediately... if i ever want my pc to be a part of some company's "experiments" i could always install the SETI@HOME screensaver or something... lol... okay, bad joke...





slackware is MUCH more stable than any known version of fedora could ever dream of being... some would even argue slackware is more stable than red hat enterprise, but of course that would be totally debatable (unlike the fedora comparison)... slackware's been around for over ten years and counting, while fedora is still a baby... yes, a baby with good parents that love it and take care of it and everything, but still a baby none the less...

personally, i wish i would have tried slackware a LONG time ago... i started my linux journey using mainly red hat and mandrake (among others)... i didn't touch slackware cuz it was "too geeky" i think... the gui tools and features from these "friendly" red hat based distros were great, but one day i decided to see what all this noise about slackware was... i downloaded it, i installed it, i used it, and i loved it... slackware's methodology is as beautiful as debian's philosophy... those "friendly" features in the other distros had made me dependant on them, when i could have been doing things a little more independantly all along, and learning much more in the process... kinda like the situation most people face with microsoft windows these days...

my point is slackware has given me the opportunity to learn more about gnu/linux as a whole, and not just as "a distro"... the fact that slackware is called called "slackware" and that it's so stable and powerful is just a plus... and the fact that so many folks have chosen it as "distribution of the year" is certainly no surprise:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=116355


of course if you want a decent, modern, stable, popular, cheap, friendly, red hat based distro with advanced features and paid support, there's always mandrake and suse...



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