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Old 01-18-2008, 01:43 AM   #1
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Ready to put xp back on!!


I started another thread on my graphics problem after Ubuntu install on HD...I just searched the web for info on the subject of problems with graphics after Ubuntu install,this appears to be a very common issue!Why? However there are very few solutions posted!??..And the solutions are way beyond my PC experience...I loved using the test run of Ubuntu however i guess i am now seeing why Windows users dislike it..Is there something i can do to solve my problems?Please help as i would love to have Ubuntu as my only OS and begin to learn about it,i guess i already have
Please read my other thread on the subject..
Thanks Dave
 
Old 01-18-2008, 01:58 AM   #2
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I think you'd better check your hardware again. 56k doesn't sound like a video card to me, more like a modem.
http://www.saucertek.com/store/index...roducts_id=230
Is that your motherboard? IF so, then it has a Trident video chip. Trident should still be supported but, well, it is old. I

And think of a better title the next time if you hope to get any further response at all.

Last edited by jay73; 01-18-2008 at 02:06 AM.
 
Old 01-18-2008, 02:11 AM   #3
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Thanks..

Quote:
Originally Posted by jay73 View Post
I think you'd better check your hardware again. 56k doesn't sound like a video card to me, more like a modem.
http://www.saucertek.com/store/index...roducts_id=230
Is that your motherboard? IF so, then it has a Trident video chip. Trident should still be supported but, well, it is old. I

And think of a better title the next time if you hope to get any further response at all.
How do i switch my title? I love Linux!I am just at a very frustrated point right now, after working on it for 15 hrs! I have searched everywhere and still no solutions??...I apolagise to all Linux users..
I loved the test run of Ubuntu,and want it as my OS asap! Please help.
Dave
 
Old 01-18-2008, 02:18 AM   #4
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That is my Motherboard..

Quote:
Originally Posted by jay73 View Post
I think you'd better check your hardware again. 56k doesn't sound like a video card to me, more like a modem.
http://www.saucertek.com/store/index...roducts_id=230
Is that your motherboard? IF so, then it has a Trident video chip. Trident should still be supported but, well, it is old. I

And think of a better title the next time if you hope to get any further response at all.
I take it then that my Motherboard has built in graphics?? The card i saw must be my sound,because the speakers plug into it..duh lol
This being my Motherboard are there drivers i require for Ubuntu,to operate properly with it? Maybe that is the source of my graphics problem??
Thanks Dave

Last edited by DAVE666; 01-18-2008 at 02:19 AM. Reason: error
 
Old 01-18-2008, 02:57 AM   #5
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OK, Ubuntu has had issues with Trident for a while now. It just picks the wrong driver (vesa instead of trident). Here is what a proper xorg.conf file for Trident should more or less look like:

Code:
# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
	# path to defoma fonts
	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"i2c"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"dri"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"type1"
	Load	"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"de"
	Option		"XkbVariant"	"nodeadkeys"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
	Driver		"synaptics"
	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"
	Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Standardgrafikkarte"
	Driver		"trident"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
        #Option          "ShadowFB" "On"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"Standardgrafikkarte"
	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
	DefaultDepth	16
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode	0666
EndSection
Now, I understand that the livecd does work fine. If so , the easiest fix would be to copy the xorg.conf file from the livecd to your installed system. You could use a floppy but you can also work straight from the livecd (Read Note first).

1. boot off the livecd and launch the terminal (search your menus for it)
2. make a mount point for your Ubuntu partition: sudo mkdir /mnt/hd
3. mount your Ubuntu partition on the mount point: sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hd/
4. move over to the /etc/X11 directory on your hard drive: cd /mnt/hd/etc/X11
5. back up the xorg.conf on your hard drive: sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
6. switch to the /etc/X11 directory on the livecd: cd /etc/X11
7. copy xorg.conf from the livecd to your hard drive: sudo cp xorg.conf /mnt/hd/etc/X11/
8. unmount your hard drive: umount /mnt/hd
9. exit the shell: exit
9. reboot and remove livecd

Note on 3: I assume that your / partition is /dev/hda2 - if it is something else, you'll need to adjust. It could actually be /dev/hda1, that depends on how you set things up. If command number 4 says "/etc/X11 not found" or something like that, then you know it's not the right partition. If that happens, simply unmount (umount /dev/hda2) and start over from number 3 with /dev/hda1 instead.

Bear in mind that even with the trident driver properly set up, you run a risk of getting sub par performance. It appears to be quite difficult to activate direct rendering. But that should be a question for another post.
 
Old 01-18-2008, 03:14 AM   #6
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Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jay73 View Post
OK, Ubuntu has had issues with Trident for a while now. It just picks the wrong driver (vesa instead of trident). Here is what a proper xorg.conf file for Trident should more or less look like:

Code:
# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
	# path to defoma fonts
	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"i2c"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"dri"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"type1"
	Load	"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"de"
	Option		"XkbVariant"	"nodeadkeys"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
	Driver		"synaptics"
	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"
	Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Standardgrafikkarte"
	Driver		"trident"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
        #Option          "ShadowFB" "On"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"Standardgrafikkarte"
	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
	DefaultDepth	16
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode	0666
EndSection
Now, I understand that the livecd does work fine. If so , the easiest fix would be to copy the xorg.conf file from the livecd to your installed system. You could use a floppy but you can also work straight from the livecd (Read Note first).

1. boot off the livecd and launch the terminal (search your menus for it)
2. make a mount point for your Ubuntu partition: sudo mkdir /mnt/hd
3. mount your Ubuntu partition on the mount point: sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hd/
4. move over to the /etc/X11 directory on your hard drive: cd /mnt/hd/etc/X11
5. back up the xorg.conf on your hard drive: sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
6. switch to the /etc/X11 directory on the livecd: cd /etc/X11
7. copy xorg.conf from the livecd to your hard drive: sudo cp xorg.conf /mnt/hd/etc/X11/
8. unmount your hard drive: umount /mnt/hd
9. exit the shell: exit
9. reboot and remove livecd

Note on 3: I assume that your / partition is /dev/hda2 - if it is something else, you'll need to adjust. It could actually be /dev/hda1, that depends on how you set things up. If command number 4 says "/etc/X11 not found" or something like that, then you know it's not the right partition. If that happens, simply unmount (umount /dev/hda2) and start over from number 3 with /dev/hda1 instead.

Bear in mind that even with the trident driver properly set up, you run a risk of getting sub par performance. It appears to be quite difficult to activate direct rendering. But that should be a question for another post.
That info is fabulous! I have been trying to repair this for about 24hrs!!...I cant recall the format? It was however the one that completeley erased my HD and just put U on..I believe the first choice...Would there be another Linux flavor i could download which doesn't have these issues and is light?,i want something aimed at web surfing,music,on line schooling etc...I might just ditch Ubuntu,with these issues i've had..What do you suggest?
Thanks...I am using an oler celeron Tualatin 1ghz,512mgb ram,atxcm33Tl skt 370 dfi motherboard,anymore advice would be great.
If you don't know of another i will attempt the above.
Thanks a million for the great advice!
Dave
 
Old 01-18-2008, 04:14 AM   #7
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Your hardware is rather specific and there are tons of distributions to choose from so I'm afraid that you'll have to go at it at in a trial-and-error fashion. Then again, if you check google, you'll find that plenty of distributions seem to struggle with trident cards. The driver should be the same on all distributions so if it doesn't work on Ubuntu, then it's very likely that it won't work (much better) on other distributions. And it's not as if the driver is still heavily under development, that's when you might expect to see certain features in one distro that are missing from another one. Trident left the video card market many years ago so it's unlikely that there are many developers out there that would make this a priority.
Maybe you should ask around and see whether anyone still has an older PCI (not PCIE) ATI card that they don't need anymore.

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I have an old Toshiba with a Trident Cyberblade. Used to be a bitch for X as it was so new (I'm talking years ago ... ) - Ubuntu builds for it o.k.; has since Dapper.
I'm surprised the OP is having this problem.
Might be worth trying PCLinuxOS - Windoze users seem tolike it, and the liveCD can be handy anyway ...
 
Old 01-18-2008, 04:38 AM   #9
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Your hardware is rather specific and there are tons of distributions to choose from so I'm afraid that you'll have to go at it at in a trial-and-error fashion. Then again, if you check google, you'll find that plenty of distributions seem to struggle with trident cards. The driver should be the same on all distributions so if it doesn't work on Ubuntu, then it's very likely that it won't work (much better) on other distributions. And it's not as if the driver is still heavily under development, that's when you might expect to see certain features in one distro that are missing from another one. Trident left the video card market many years ago so it's unlikely that there are many developers out there that would make this a priority.
Maybe you should ask around and see whether anyone still has an older PCI (not PCIE) ATI card that they don't need anymore.
Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is an ATI card?Obviously its a graphics card.. I am new to the PC world...I have an older PC here that has a Ati 3d rage pro pc 1,i can use. And what will this do to fix the graphics problem?...Where do i put the card? There are 3 slots..11,12 and 13.
Thanks

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Old 01-18-2008, 05:32 AM   #10
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I'm afraid that won't work. As far as I know, the ATI Rage is an AGP video card while your motherboard has only PCI slots. That is, if it's really the motherboard I linked to in one of my previous posts. You can always check for yourself, PCI slots are white while an AGP slot is brown and somewhat smaller than a PCI slot. If you don't find any such slot, then it's PCI only. Don't try prying it into one of the white slots, you'll only break things.
For what it's worth, there is also a third type of video card, the one that is standard nowadays: PCI-Express. But those won't work either since they require a recent motherboard that supports PCIe.

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Old 01-18-2008, 05:33 AM   #11
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You should be able to identify the graphics card easly because the monitor plug should be connected to it.

It might help people help you if you posted the relevant parts of your xorg.conf file.
 
  


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