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Old 07-06-2008, 02:01 PM   #1
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Questions about linux/windows program and networking compatability


Dear Sirs,

I have only begun to use computers in the last 6 months. In that time I have become proficient with windows xp, and an assortment of microsoft products. In a effort to make them more usable I learned to use some rather limited but simple freeware scripting languages. The culmination of the last 6 months is that I DO NOT LIKE microsoft. I am very interested in an alternative to their products. I am investigating linux as a possible alternative to windows, but I have to stay alive in the world where the rest of the population uses windows of some kind or another. Thus I have the following questions. I would be greatful if someone more knowledgable than I would render aid.

1) Can I run windows programs under the linux system? If so how?...I would think that it is possible if you had an interpreter of some sort..
2) Can I establish a network between linux using and windows using machines? If so can I manipulate the windows based machines through the network from the linux based machine? What about the other way; can the windows machine manipulate thorough the network the linux based machine?
3)My father is a die-hard dos user, who was forced to use windows to stay in business. He would like to know if linux is like dos; in the context of the level of control allowed... Rather than windows like; as in click this to do that [ by some unknown sequence of commands that can not be found or edited. ( Please note If you can manipulate windows in this way I have not found it yet, and microsoft has not told me about it)]

Thank you for your time and trouble. Any information you provide is appreciated.

Sam Hamiltion
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:30 PM   #2
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1) yes, check out wine and crossover office (a commercial variant of the wine project), but your mileage may vary. much much better to replace than struggle to make it work in an alien environment.

2) yes, but it really depends what a "network" means to you as to what answer to give. Countably every computer in the world talks TCP/IP, so with an IP address on each they can talk. most of the servers you connect to on the web are probably Linux... That's what *I* mean by a network, but you probably mean all that "Network Neighborhood" nonsense, in which case still yes. For the easy path, gnome and KDE both support the CIFS protocl (that's what it's actually called) and interate it well into their file managers, so it's a case of finding the right "connect to server" option in a menu. that's to be a client, and to serve data you would use the Samba project, again something that's generally well wrapped up so you don't need to know too many specfics, just where the "share folder" option is.

3) thankfully nothing is "like DOS" these days (except DOS emulators) apart from the parts of UNIX that Microsoft stole from UNIX and made a hash of. But you can very happily exclusively use command line interfaces within Linux if you so choose.

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Old 07-06-2008, 02:55 PM   #3
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Wink ok..let's make some points..

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Dear Sirs,

I have only begun to use computers in the last 6 months. In that time I have become proficient with windows xp, and an assortment of microsoft products. In a effort to make them more usable I learned to use some rather limited but simple freeware scripting languages. The culmination of the last 6 months is that I DO NOT LIKE microsoft. I am very interested in an alternative to their products. I am investigating linux as a possible alternative to windows, but I have to stay alive in the world where the rest of the population uses windows of some kind or another. Thus I have the following questions. I would be greatful if someone more knowledgable than I would render aid.

1) Can I run windows programs under the linux system? If so how?...I would think that it is possible if you had an interpreter of some sort..
2) Can I establish a network between linux using and windows using machines? If so can I manipulate the windows based machines through the network from the linux based machine? What about the other way; can the windows machine manipulate thorough the network the linux based machine?
3)My father is a die-hard dos user, who was forced to use windows to stay in business. He would like to know if linux is like dos; in the context of the level of control allowed... Rather than windows like; as in click this to do that [ by some unknown sequence of commands that can not be found or edited. ( Please note If you can manipulate windows in this way I have not found it yet, and microsoft has not told me about it)]

Thank you for your time and trouble. Any information you provide is appreciated.

Sam Hamiltion
lostzxc@gmx.com


Welcome to the Linux world !

I'm glad to see so much good education..

ok..let's make some points..

1)you can't run windows programs NATURALLY in linux BUT can install a version of Win in linux under what is called an emulator,Virtualbox is the easiest one,others are Xen and Qemu and VMware

2)i don't recommend you to install an emulator,the os emulated runs slower than it could do and the video card is emulated too so you will be able to install and use MS office and other office programs BUT won't be able to have 3D acceleration for watching films and play videogames

3)As you install any linux distro,if you don't make troubles,you will install a boot loader that,every time you turn on your pc,will let you choose if to boot Win or Linux-this thing is called Dual booting and it's the easiest and normal way to keep a fully functional Win in your PC

4)I'm a 30 years Doctor in Medicine and have been dualbooted Win and Linux since 2005 without any problems,so you don't need to be a genius to do this,still keep Win only to play some videogames and to use SPSS 15.0 which is a database i need sometimes for my work,for work and everything else i use ONLY Linux

5)i was an MS-DOS addicted too..that's a reason why i started using Linux..!

6)Yes,Linux use the prompt BUT it's a prompt different to the MS-DOS one,has different command,is more complete and more efficient and you can do some things ONLY by the prompt..infact,99% linux users uses GUIs but you can install linux with no GUI too..and that's what is often done in pcs used for server administration

7)???in windows you have command prompt still in Vista BUT it's useless,unless you wuold like to run old ms-dos games-i still do so with some old dos games..

8)Yes,you can connect by network different pcs running Linux and Win without problems by remote desktop access by FreeNx or something similar but it's a bit difficult..anyway,it's possible

9)wine is opensource while crossover and cedega are commercial..

I hope i've been clear..otherwise,ask !


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Old 07-06-2008, 03:04 PM   #4
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Red face i suggest you not to leave your email

..i suggest you not to leave your email,the most part of users here are normal people but you could enconter the one sending you tons of spam and rubbish..so it's not wise to leave it here

Ciao !
 
Old 07-06-2008, 03:16 PM   #5
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virtualbox and others are NOT emulators, they are virtualization systems. big difference. I think you need to brush up on your terminology.
 
Old 07-06-2008, 03:16 PM   #6
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Welcome!
3.) Yes,you will have total control of what you can and can't do.You can configure your system in any way that you want,any way.
 
Old 07-06-2008, 03:28 PM   #7
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virtualbox and others are NOT emulators, they are virtualization systems. big difference. I think you need to brush up on your terminology.
ah..sorry ! you're right ! they're virtualization systems..but i hate them,the only one i use is Virtual Pc in Xp e Vista to emulate win 98 se..they're rubbish,nothing is better than a true os.
 
Old 07-06-2008, 03:33 PM   #8
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again, it IS a true OS. A very large amount of enterprise servers run in virtual environments so they are clearly not rubbish.
 
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3.) Yes,you will have total control of what you can and can't do.You can configure your system in any way that you want,any way.
I never quite managed to get it to dispense tea from the speakers... I take it you did?
 
Old 07-06-2008, 04:12 PM   #10
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again, it IS a true OS. A very large amount of enterprise servers run in virtual environments so they are clearly not rubbish.
ok..sorry again..i know it's a true os..and infact win 98 se loads and works on a intel 5200 core 2 duo as it did on a pentium 3 500 mhz as a true os..but for true os i personally mean the one with all the hardware fully recognized and fully squeezed,and this DOESN'T happen in a virtualization envinronment,so by my point of view the one emulated compared to the one without emulation is rubbish.

ciao !
 
Old 07-06-2008, 04:29 PM   #11
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I never quite managed to get it to dispense tea from the speakers... I take it you did?
No,mine dispense coffee,I have some problems with tea.I need to create a better driver for it.
 
  


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