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Old 09-20-2005, 01:12 PM   #1
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problems with icewm


Hey!

I just switched from xfce4 to icewm on my computer and I love it! It's much faster (I think) and works just perfect. I installed it and everything worked out fine.

Then I started fixing an old computer for my mom (really old (computer, not mom)) and on that old computer xfce4 is quite slow, but icewm was working best. And by working I mean booting up in a reasonable time and works as it should, except one thing...

When I start any application it starts up fine and I see the frames arround the app and everything. But I don't see the content in the apps window... I can send keyboard events to it, but no mouse... All I see is the blue background color with the standard frame (with the close/max/minimize button aso...).

What to do??? I really need this to work. I've tried allot of other wm:s on it but nothing that I liked... And applications worked in all of them but icewm so I don't think the error is in my x configuration.

I use archlinux (latest) and for the hardware it's an old p2 arround 150 Mhz or so. Please help!!!
 
Old 09-21-2005, 12:09 PM   #2
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That's really, imho, too old to be trying to run X apps on. However, I'm sure there will be die hards chiming in with "I'm running a slack 8.0 with KDE no problems" but generally, I think this is not 'bare minimum' to run X and related applications.

When you launch an application, open up a terminal (assuming xterm will open, if not, CTRL + ALT + F2 and login) and launch top. See if you are too low on RAM, maybe you are swapping without a swap partition... Also in top you can see how taxed the CPU is with the app in question AND X running.

Good Luck!

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Old 09-21-2005, 12:55 PM   #3
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Yeah, I know it's not the ideal computer, but I have to do what I can to get it going. And I'm not sure what the cpu is, only that it's p2, maybe arround 200 MHz...

But anyway, I could run xfce4 on it, I could run fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, window maker, xpde and pekwm. Xfce4 and xpde was too slow compared to the others... And for the layout of them I don't like the window maker at all... And the *boxes where okay, but not more. Pekwm and Icewm where the two fastest I tried and worked out allright! But I really like icewm the best so I'd really like to get that to work!

I have no idea what the problem is, but it's not a matter of RAM, I have free RAM after a bootup and allmost all swap free too. (according to hwd -y anyway) And since xfce4 worked I'm sure this can't be the problem!? And that's after loading pekwm, rox as pinboard and fbpanel to get something like a startmenu... And icewm loads up allright and it is quite fast (well, fast for these conditions) just that the contents is gone... One thought is that it draws the contents behind the desktop somehow, not sure why or how to fix it though...

Thank you for you reply btw, it's appreciated! Got any ideas?
 
Old 09-22-2005, 01:50 AM   #4
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Not really. If it's at all possible, see about running one of the (literally hundreds) live distros available from a CD-ROM and see what that produces. Could be a version conflict with the X libs and the video card libs, could be a window manager not responding well to commands...

I have had this happen before, but it was long ago, and on really weak hardware. It was very likely when I switched to much lighter window managers (currently fluxbox). Rox is light, but not so light that I'd suggest running it. If you require widgets (the only reason I can see for using Rox in ice) then go with it, but with the hardware you are using, it's pushing it. Free RAM after a boot doesn't mean that your RAM isn't being taxed when an application is launched.

Also, I see that you are restricting yourself to *just* this hardware. So you probably ought to list your videocard, and if you don't know, then the results of "lspci" so we can see what resources we have to play with

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Old 09-24-2005, 05:02 PM   #5
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lspci output:
Code:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86)
00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
00:12.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 07)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. i740 (rev 21)
and yes, I'm restricted to this hardware! I got the computer for free and my mom wanted one so I thought I'd fix it up for her, so good it can be. and you know moms, they want icons on the desktop (therefore I use rox as pinboard)... and I found fbpanel to be a good and light startmenu thing that works good together with pekwm I'm running now. But I would still like to get icewm running since I think it will be faster anyway, than loading both pekwm and fbpanel!

pther hardware as sound I don't think she needs so... anyway, haven't tried that out yet...

Hope you can help! :-)
 
Old 09-24-2005, 05:26 PM   #6
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You may just be running into xv problems. You may have some success if you re-install X (probably xorg for newish distros). Also, is this happening as a user or as root?

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Old 09-25-2005, 10:08 AM   #7
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what's "xv problems"???

the problem is when I start icewm as a user, haven't tried to start it as root, will do that when I get home! but I don't think there will be any difference since all the other wm:s I tried worked as a user...

and it is xorg I'm running, version 11R6.8.2-2... along with regular kernel 2.6.12.2-1 and latest icewm, compiled from source, with a patch... (which works just fine on my other computer and on allot others too, so I don't think that's a problem...)
 
  


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