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Old 08-03-2010, 11:43 AM   #1
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Possible Lack of Video RAM and/or computer age?


Hello folks,

I have been fighting an installation on a computer. I was able to load RedHat 7.1 on the computer, and it ran without any problems. The biggest problem I had with such a system was the following: My guess is the computer is about 7 to 8 years old.

1. Older operating system.
2. Would not run or recognize my wireless USB card.
3. I can't get it to run on newer machines, because drivers are different.
4. I want to run Samba, which is the newest version, and I am not sure if that will run on the older RedHat software.

this means if the computer decides to go south, I cannot easily make another operating system.

I have tried (many times) to load Fedora 13. I can run it off the thumb drive, but after a few windows, it locks up. It will not allow me to install it on the hard drive, it just ignores or locks up on me.

I have tried installing from a CD, and it still locks up.

The closest I have got to installing fedora, is the following:

1. Downloading the 3.1 meg DVD ISO image
2. Burning it on DVD.
3. Installing.

But!!!!

It only boots up to a text command line, in which I cannot (or shall I say my knowledge is not good enough to) go further.

One thing that surprised me, was a extremely FAST flash of the words:

Video RAM not enough, switching to text installation. (or something ver similar to this. It game me the impression that the video ram had to be a certain amount, and if it didn't have that minimal amount, anything graphic will not install.

I don't know if this is the cause of my problems or not.


I am only trying to get linux up and going with Samba. I would like to be able to surf the internet and use it as a server later on. I would like to use the Gnome or KDE or xwindows?(I think, I have never tried xwindows but read about it).

The installation of the DVD *seems* complete, but it only boots up in text command mode. I can type in "Root" and the password, and it will take me to the root directory.

I did some searching on this forum and found some help (that is where I found out how to get to the root directory), but nothing about helping me with Fedora 13, getting it to run like It is supposed to.

Is there a certain Video RAM that is required? If so, why did the thumb drive version run, but not the installation version from the DVD?

Any help would be appreciated.

Dwayne
 
Old 08-03-2010, 11:51 AM   #2
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A quick Google search yielded the Fedora 13 hardware requirements: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/...e_Requirements

If you would like to post back with the details of your hardware, I will do my best to help.

Have you tested any "lightweight" distros such as Puppy, SlITaz, TinyCore, etc.?
 
Old 08-03-2010, 11:54 AM   #3
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Post the specs of the machine.

text mode install does not mean the machine will not run a GUI.

If RAM > 512MB, Fedora 13 will be fine, otherwise use Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Vector Linux or Dream Linux (latest versions)

post output of the command: lspci -v
 
Old 08-03-2010, 12:00 PM   #4
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If you want a server, fedora is not the best choice (it is the development version of RedHat, read less stable), nor is RedHat (unless you're willing to pay for their support, then it's one of the best). If you wish to stay within the RedHat family, I would strongly suggest CentOS, as it is essentially RedHat stripped of the branding. Latest version is 5.5, you can download it here.
 
Old 08-03-2010, 01:05 PM   #5
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A good server solution (for professional and home use) would be Debian "Lenny" (the latest stable release) in my opinion. Older releases can also be used if necessary (although it shouldn't be).

If you're interested in Debian:

Installing can be done in text mode (though a simple graphical interface is also available).

After installation of the basic system (no graphical stuff), you can install the XFCE desktop which uses less resources than the "big" desktops (Gnome and KDE), but is quite user-friendly (you can use this desktop in other distro's, too, of course).

Debian can be downloaded freely at http://www.debian.org/. Since your thumb drive worked, you can make other distro's work like that with a tool called unetbootin.

I could assist a bit with Debian because I use this distro for both my desktop PC and a home server.
 
Old 08-03-2010, 04:32 PM   #6
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First of all, thank you all for your help and responses.

I tried Debian, but it only went to text mode, and I couldn't get anything to work (Mainly because of my lack of knowledge). I am wanting to replace my old 4.1 version of Novell NetWork.

I was told that Samba works quite well.

I guess I will try to download Debian again and install it. Then ask for a little help getting something to move on it.

I am downloading all 3 CD iso's.

When I get home, I will also post the machines specs.

Dwayne
 
Old 08-03-2010, 05:03 PM   #7
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Some details I think are useful for you:
You should use the net-installer for Debian. The installer itself is small and during the installation of additional software (e.g., XFCE), it downloads those packages that you need (of course, you need an internet connection on that computer - and I only know it to work with a connection over a LAN cable - WLAN can be a pain here). The "stable" version of Debian should be used for servers and the like. You most probably need the "i386" build.
 
Old 08-19-2010, 11:32 PM   #8
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Hello Titian,

AFter burning CD's and failing, I decided to try your internet Debian.

I was able to install it on my computer, took approx 10 hours, but it worked.

Now I have one more problem. I have a couple of wireless cards, but I can't get the computer to recognized them. I plug them into the USB port, but nothing happens. It seems like the drivers do not exist, or the computer is not going into a "Plug and Play" mode to analyze them and activate them.

Is there anything I can do to help the computer go into hardware scan mode, and find the USB wireless cards?

Dwayne
 
Old 08-20-2010, 07:28 AM   #9
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If the system has recognized any wireless lan device, you can scan the network with this command (as root):
Code:
iwlist scan
(install wireless-tools if the commands can't be found).
If your devices aren't used for scanning, then they are probably not recognized. To be sure, you can pull them out, issue this command (as root):
Code:
ifconfig -a
plug them in again, execute that command again (wait a few seconds so the computer can activate them) and see if anything is different.

If you then find out that your wireless devices aren't supported out-of-the-box, you should search for linux drivers on the net. A good search term would be the chip ID that this command returns:
Code:
lsusb
(example: 148f:2070)
Depending on whether there are Linux drivers for it or not, you'll either have to build a kernel module, or use NDISwrapper (which is also a kernel module). The module-assistant will be of help in this case.

Last edited by TITiAN; 08-20-2010 at 07:31 AM. Reason: example for lsusb
 
Old 09-14-2010, 11:57 PM   #10
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Hello Titian,

Ok, I think I have everything downloaded and installed. Samba and all.

I gave up on the wireless connections. It seems that my wireless device will sometimes work on some systems (like the new Fedora), but will not work on other systems because of lack of drivers. I tried another wireless device. . . an older Orinoco, but it didn't work either.

I ended up making a cat5 cable and connecting directly into the router and accessing the internet from there.

My question is. . .How do I assign the Samba? Make a default disk of "F:" and add users with passwords like I do the Novell Network system?

Dwayne
 
Old 09-15-2010, 09:49 AM   #11
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If your wireless lan works with the new fedora, it will most probably work with the "testing" repos in Debian, but I recommended the "stable" repos because the applications are server-related. So if you want to try that, please copy and paste the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list here. I will give you instructions on how you can then install the kernel (with the new driver) from the "testing" repos while keeping the rest of the system "stable".

About setting up a samba server in Debian, this search seems to return something useful in the first hit.
 
Old 09-15-2010, 11:13 AM   #12
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Thank you very much Titian,

I went to the Samba website and was looking through their "Book".

I also went to your link, and neither seemed to tell me where I do this stuff.

Do I open a command type prompt and go to the root directory using "su" and my password? Or, do I do it from my "User directory" (which doesn't make a lot of sense to me per se.).

I also seemed to remember (about 8 years ago), that I had to "edit" a config file with a editor called "joe"? And found out that if you use an editor to edit a confiq file, the Linux editor? (not the 3rd party editor Joey) would no longer work on the config file. Thus, once edited with a third party editor, you were out of luck with the linux program editor. I didn't want to get caught with this again. <smile>

Can I assume all things will be installed from the root directory?

Dwayne
 
Old 09-15-2010, 11:24 AM   #13
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I assume you mean the root user, and that's correct, software is usually installed and maintained with the root user. If you use XFCE, the standart text file editor is "mousepad". It should come with XFCE, but maybe you have to apt-get it manually (apt-get install mousepad). If you don't have any desktop, you can use the "nano" program to edit text files.
 
Old 09-15-2010, 11:25 AM   #14
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I also seemed to remember (about 8 years ago), that I had to "edit" a config file with a editor called "joe"? And found out that if you use an editor to edit a confiq file, the Linux editor? (not the 3rd party editor Joey) would no longer work on the config file. Thus, once edited with a third party editor, you were out of luck with the linux program editor. I didn't want to get caught with this again.
There isn't such thing as "The Linux Editor", you are free of choice which editor you use and yes, to configure samba you have to edit a config file, mainly /etc/samba/smb.conf (on Debian, should be the same on other distros).
 
Old 09-15-2010, 07:36 PM   #15
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Hello gentlemen,

I am not able to get to the user from where I am at.
the best I can do is the following

dwayne@DAR:~$ su
Password:
DAR:/home/dwayne# dir
Desktop Downloads

I tried rebooting, but still couldn't get to the user part. Any suggestions?
 
  


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