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Old 09-16-2004, 06:58 AM   #1
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Speed and dependency problems


I tried out linux a long time ago not but just couldnt get on with it. I have come back again in the hope that things are now easier but it has not started well.

I have installed Suse 9.1 Personal on my desktop (Pentium IV 2.4ghz, 512mb mem) and it just seems really slow. It takes forever to boot unlike Windows XP which used to boot very quickly. It seems to load an amazing amount at startup. Once booted, new apps take ages to startup as well. The whole initial experience is amazement that people leave Windows and try this out.

As well as that, the first thing I tried out is playing a Divx avi. So I started Kaffeine and when it eventually started up tried loading the avi into it. It wouldnt play it. So after some searching I noticed that many recommend MPlayer so I thought I'd give it a go. I found an rpm for it which was for Suse 9.1. I tried loading it into Yast and it complained that there were numerous dependencies missing - but this doesnt mean much to me and I wouldnt know where to start looking for them.

If anyone can help with my initial problems (i.e. the boot up time, app loading time, mplayer install, etc) then it would be much appreciated. I dont want to mess around with command lines and config files. I am a click and go man and proud of it. I just want things to work, not have to mess around with them.

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Old 09-16-2004, 07:25 AM   #2
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I run mandrake 10 on a p3-700 quite quickly, so obviously linux should not be slow on a pentium 4. You either have a problem with the distro or installation or are very impatient, which is less likely
 
Old 09-16-2004, 07:26 AM   #3
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please use useful thread titles in future, thanks.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 07:27 AM   #4
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please use useful thread titles in future, thanks.
sorry - point taken
 
Old 09-16-2004, 09:09 AM   #5
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Windows XP has a very fast bootup time, relative to nearly every OS. So yes Linux is slower and most distros (suse is *especially* bad at this) do load a ton of stuff you don't really need. Most of them can be disabled, but still ....

App startup time is something else. That should not be significantly different to Windows, except for a few pathological cases like OpenOffice. It may be SuSE 9.1 does not use prelinking, I am not sure. But for KDE users that can speed things up a lot. Do you have the "prelink" program installed? If you don't I'm afraid it's not something you can just install though ....
 
Old 09-16-2004, 09:40 AM   #6
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Hello Tridion,

Maybe it is helpful if you can post a bit more information about the hardware you are running.

With slow graphics it can be helpful if we know what graphical VGA hardware you have installed.

Linux is slow at startup, that is an fact, but for me this is more a cosmetic advantage for Windows XP, because if my Linux computer is ready for input it is ready, if my Windows computer gives me the impression that it is ready to use the hard disk light is still going like crazy. And all hard disk intensive programs are extremely slow.

Linux is “way” behind on the cosmetic “look and feel” concept that makes Linux not a bad OS.

With kind regards,

Richard
 
Old 09-16-2004, 09:58 AM   #7
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Tridion,

If you are using the Personal version of SuSe, you are using the truncated version of the OS. Many of your issues would be resolved if you were the get the full Professional version, this you will have to fork over some money for....try ebay. Another alternative is to try Mandrake 10.0, it plays nice with Windows and works rather nicely.

Hope this helps,
Eric.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 07:54 PM   #8
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Sorry, but the solution is clear: Don't use Linux. Linux power is the command line. It was never intended to be a "click and pray" Operating System.

What you are actually asking for is to make Linux more like Windows.

All I can say in this case is... if you really want an alternative to Windows, get either a Mac or use an Operating System such as Xandros or Linspire.

No matter how good and "user-friendly" the so called "newbie" distributions are, sooner or later you will need to compile something or use the command line for basic adm/configuration.

Still, answering your questions:

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It takes forever to boot unlike Windows XP which used to boot very quickly.
By default, many services in SuSE (and many other distributions too) are enabled from the boot. Examples are sshd which most likely you won't need (I do though) used for remote administration in a LAN. Sendmail, Postfix, a lot can be disabled. This is easly done under YaST >> System >> Run Level Editor.

Command line login instead of gdm or xdm also gives a faster boot.

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As well as that, the first thing I tried out is playing a Divx avi. So I started Kaffeine and when it eventually started up tried loading the avi into it. It wouldnt play it.
For a while, Linux has had copyright problems with media files (as mp3 support in Redhat) and .ttf fonts. Things has changed a bit lately though, but not much.

When you started Kaffeine, you've probably noticed (with a big pop-up window) that you are running a shrunk down version of Xine, without, for example, DVD support. You also get a link to check the reason for that. Did you check it?

Basically, you need codecs. But you can't come to me and say that your WinXP plays all .avi's without codecs... because you've to download codec's for Windows as well (and if you get from www.divx.com, you know that they have spyware as well).

Getting MPLayer from source and the package "all-codecs" would give you support for nearly everything out there: mp3, .mov, .avi, DVD, VCDS, etc...

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I dont want to mess around with command lines and config files. I am a click and go man and proud of it. I just want things to work, not have to mess around with them.
Sorry mate, it just won't happen... You need to get into the command line. You can't do the same things you did in Windows exactly in Linux: they are totally different OS from the grounds up.

Again, I'd recommend you to stick with Windows, MacOS or Linspire/Xandros.

Good luck!
 
Old 09-17-2004, 06:06 AM   #9
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I suggest you to close the services that you do not use .
All the services that you've loaded to your PC is listed under the /etc/services please check it and close that ones that you do not use.
PS : you can close any service by just adding # the line.
 
Old 09-17-2004, 11:58 AM   #10
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/etc/services is just a list of port nums and protocols and descriptions.
Shutting down services should be done via the menus or cmd line if you want.
If you use the cmd line, the service will restart on the next boot unless you hack the init dirs.
 
  


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