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Old 12-15-2007, 06:57 AM   #1
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Smile partition rights


i have a partition "NTFS" , wich is used by windows xp , but i made it with linux ...
but i cant use it with linux ? i can vieuw , but not write ... and i cant share it with other accounts .

* i cant change it with rightclick-options
* i cant change it with partitioner
* i cant change it with samba
* ...

how do i do this ?

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thnx
 
Old 12-15-2007, 07:13 AM   #2
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Which distro do you have?

To get read/write access to ntfs partitions in linux, you need a tool called ntfs-3g, mont distros have this as part of the install now, but older ones are still using a driver that won't give you write access.

If we know your distro, we can tell you how to get this.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 07:23 AM   #3
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pc-linux os , its kde
and it uses slackware packages
 
Old 12-15-2007, 07:24 AM   #4
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i installed ntfs3g
 
Old 12-15-2007, 07:26 AM   #5
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Thank you , it works .
 
Old 12-15-2007, 07:32 AM   #6
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Hi all,
Sorry to slide a little away from the op's intension. But do you have any experience with ntfs-3g?
Is it really reliable for productive use?
Thanks a lot,
Clemente
 
Old 12-15-2007, 08:09 AM   #7
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Hi all,
Sorry to slide a little away from the op's intension. But do you have any experience with ntfs-3g?
Is it really reliable for productive use?
Thanks a lot,
Clemente
I go the other way. I put all shared data on ext3 partitions. On the rare occasion that I boot into Windows, I access data using the ext3fsd driver installed in Windows.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 08:13 AM   #8
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I have lots of experience with ntfs-3g, and I don't blame you for being skeptical. Previous efforts to impliment ntfs in linux have been mixed at best, and there is bad blood between developers of ntfs-3g and ntfs.

Fact is, ntfs-3g succeeds by not being a driver. This is a userland utility - IIRC it wraps the proprietary ntfs driver to make it work with linux. Though it is used in fstab like a regular fs entry, it replaces the usual mount utility for manual mounting.

Bottom line: yes - it is stable and safe, with a transparent development program. IFAIK: it works with vista ntfs too. Not tried this. Not tried encrypted ntfs - suspect it wont work.

Rock Bottom line - try not to use legacy OSs and FSs.

Hey Pixie - I'm personally paranoid about giving Windows the ability to write to ext2/3 partitions...

Last edited by Simon Bridge; 12-15-2007 at 08:14 AM.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 06:57 PM   #9
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Hey Pixie - I'm personally paranoid about giving Windows the ability to write to ext2/3 partitions...
And I'm paranoid about allowing Windows to do anything....
I want to be able to control access privileges from Linux, everything is backed up, and I rarely use Windows. I accept the residual risk.
 
Old 12-16-2007, 07:42 AM   #10
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So ntfs-3g sounds interesting - i will try!
Big ack to scepticism against ext3 drivers for windows. I ruined an ext3 filesystems with such a driver - I don't know its name anymore. It was announced in a computer magazine long ago...
 
Old 12-16-2007, 07:55 AM   #11
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Technically Windows shouldn't care about the other partitions and I've never had it happen to me but... I have had two clients this year who were minding their own business and windows says it's detected possible malware, do they want to remove it? They say yes and windows reformats their linux partitions. MS people say this shouldn't happen.

But then, it's been years since I dual booted.

I'm doing some open source stuff in my local town and figured I should see how windows stacks up - just for fun I kept one of my laptops dual boot and attempted to bring Windows XP home up to the functionality of a main-stream distro using only free components.

It is not possible - so allowing some freeware too.

<rant>

Boy was it ever painful. And I still haven't got DVD playback working. Suspend is best out of three. Windows won't access my wireless network - insists I need a WEP key...
To top it all off, Windows insists the activation key is invalid. So I'm a pirate - apparently this is normal for NZ sales.

At least I can play my old windows games - though, those are looking dull now I can play quake. Basically I'm left cuddling a toy penguin.

</rant>

Obviously Windows is just not ready for the laptop.
'Scuse me - OT.
 
Old 12-16-2007, 09:35 AM   #12
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fromwhere ican get ext3g for win and ntfs3g 4 linux.
 
Old 12-16-2007, 10:18 AM   #13
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You mean ext2fsd for Windows??
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd

Simply google using "ext2fsd"--there are many hits which may be of interest
 
Old 12-17-2007, 01:59 AM   #14
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fromwhere ican get ext3g for win
Atch - nassty windows enabling preassiousss, nassty
Proper linuxmanship suggests that you should be directed to your MS helpdesk or company tech support. But what the hey - it's free software you're wanting.

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and ntfs3g 4 linux
You list your distros as:

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Suse..Ubuntu..Mint..Fedora..More than 5 Linux ver. at a time
... ins your profile.
All those named already have ntfs-3g. Check out the man page.
 
Old 12-18-2007, 12:17 AM   #15
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there is bad blood between developers of ntfs-3g and ntfs.
Let me qualify this a bit: ntfs-3g started out as a fork of ntfsmount (which is a project of linux-ntfs geared toward a userspace ntfs driver). It progressed rapidly to the point where ntfs-3g was the only reliable open source driver capable of writing to an ntfs volume. Not long ago, ntfs-3g was even endorsed on the linux-ntfs website. Recently, however, ntfsmount has progressed in terms of write support, and is approaching the stability of ntfs-3g. As of version ntfs-progs 2.0.0, the linux-ntfs people recommend that you use their program and not ntfs-3g. The ntfs-3g site of course calls the ntfs-progs-2.0 release unstable.
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Fact is, ntfs-3g succeeds by not being a driver. This is a userland utility - IIRC it wraps the proprietary ntfs driver to make it work with linux.
You do not recall correctly. Ntfs-3g is a driver (in the sense that it lets you perform file operations on a mounted volume). It is not, however, a kernelspace driver. It is a userspace driver (a program in userspace which implements callbacks for the kernel-level filesystem-in-userspace (FUSE) driver). So basically, it has all the logic that a kernel-level driver would have, but with the advantage of having access to userspace library code. It does not have nor did it ever incorporate or wrap any proprietary driver code. All the code in ntfs-3g (as well as ntfsmount) has been written using knowledge obtained through reverse-engineering.

There was (awhile ago) a separate project called captive-ntfs. This was also a userspace filesystem driver (although instead of FUSE, it used its precursor LUFS). Captive-ntfs worked by wrapping the ntfs driver from Microsoft Windows, and making it available through LUFS. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of.
 
  


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